UVA and the alleged frat rape - Rolling Stone backpedals

You mean the Swarthmore decision that was vacated because it was found that guy's due-process rights had been violated?

 

That kind of shit happens all the time in any tribunal system. Hell, it sounds like the NFL was running the hearing. What it isn't, however, is evidence that feminists across the country are exerting undue influence over adjudication processes or unilaterally making up the rules.

 

The guy from Vassar went in front of a kangaroo tribunal and was kicked out.

http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/17/guilty-until-proven-innocent

Alarmed, Yu contacted Walker on Facebook to make sure everything was all right. She replied that she had had a "wonderful time" and that he had done "nothing wrong"-indeed, that she was sorry for having "led [him] on" when she wasn't ready for a relationship. A month later Walker messaged Yu herself, again apologizing for the incident and expressing hope that it would not affect their friendship. There were more exchanges during the next months, with Walker at one point inviting Yu to dinner at her place. (In a response to Yu's complaint in October, attorneys for Vassar acknowledged most of these facts but asserted that Walker had been too intoxicated to consent to sex and had been "in denial," scared, and in shock when she wrote the messages.)
Last February, one year after the encounter, the other shoe dropped: Yu was informed that Walker had filed charges of "nonconsensual sexual contact" against him through the college disciplinary system. Two and a half weeks later, a hearing was held before a panel of three faculty members. Yu was not allowed an attorney; his request to call his roommate and Walker's roommate as witnesses was denied after the campus "gender equity compliance investigator" said that the roommates had emailed him but had "nothing useful" to offer. While the records from the hearing are sealed, Yu claims his attempts to cross-examine his accuser were repeatedly stymied. Many of his questions (including ones about Walker's friendly messages, which she had earlier told the investigator she sent out of "fear") were barred as "irrelevant"; he says that when he was allowed to question Walker, she would start crying and give evasive or nonresponsive answers. Yu was found guilty and summarily expelled from Vassar.

 

Stanford's training says the following:

College adjudicators should interpret an accused student who presented his defense logically and persuasively as a sign of guilt.

http://www.mindingthecampus.com/2013/08/the_dubious_rape_trial_at_vass/

 

Play the UVA case out except for one important detail -- the school did not have an institutional failure but instead took up Jackie's case and brought the frat bros up on charges.

How many of them are we OK with getting kicked out? One? All seven? Somewhere in the middle? Because that's what would have happened. Jackie's story would have been the presumed truth.

 

The victim's story IS true a vast majority of the time. Jackie's being made up doesn't change that.

 

Yeah, see ... I'm trying to figure out where I've asserted that.

 

I can't understand why you're absolutely unwilling to yield even an inch here. I mean, you will not even allow yourself to admit that we might have the barest smidgen of a point. Has a certain POP (Poster of Principle) taken over your account?

 

How many links do we need to post where you say "ok yeah that shouldn't have happened" before you acknowledge that such cases are meaningful in this discussion?

Google yields plenty of them.

 

Doc, I admit you have a point about who should be adjudicating these cases. I agree that college administrators aren't equipped to do it properly.

That's about it, but there you go. And I've explained my opinions in great detail - I'm not sure what's unclear about where I stand.

 

After the 1st week of classes 1 in 5 (adjusting for the assumption that 1 in 4 rapists are recidivists) males at every college should be summarily expelled for rape. That will even the score before Rush Week.

 

You mean like your reference to a case that the male accused rapist won?

I'm quite comfortable with my position, even if a few men are expelled from college because of a flaws process that, one more time, we all agree needs to be changed. It beats the alternative is never giving the accuser the benefit of the doubt.