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Is Mitt running for president again?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by LongTimeListener, Jan 20, 2015.

  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Nope. Not "Republican voters."
     
  2. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Obama's history of inconsistency on gay marriage was well documented in 2008.

    Remember how angry some of us got that "liberals" wouldn't accept Rob Portman's flip-flop on gay marriage? We should accept everyone's "evolving" views, even if they're done for political reasons, as long as it results in real change.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    People who believe there was a literal Adam and Eve?

    Yeah, mostly mouth-breathers.
     
  4. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    So, Dick, what do you make of Obama's push back against the idea that he was lying about gay marriage in 2008 (and his apparent admission that he did fill out the questionnaire that he had previously denied filling out)?

    He disputed, however, the contention of his former top political adviser, David Axelrod, that he had misled voters in 2008 when he opposed marriage equality. Axelrod wrote in his new memoir that Obama “modified” his position because his aides worried about alienating black Christian leaders, and then complained that he didn’t like “bullshitting” voters about it.

    “I think David is mixing up my personal feelings with my position on the issue,” Obama said. “I always felt that same-sex couples should be able to enjoy the same rights, legally, as anybody else, and so it was frustrating to me not to, I think, be able to square that with what were a whole bunch of religious sensitivities out there.”

    Obama said he believed at the time that civil unions were “a sufficient way of squaring the circle,” but that “the pain and the sense of stigma that was being placed on same-sex couples who are friends of [his]” changed his mind.

    “I think the notion that somehow I was always in favor of marriage per se isn’t quite accurate,” Obama said. “The old questionnaire … is an example of struggling with what was a real issue at the time, which is, how do you make sure that people’s rights are enjoyed and these religious sensitivities were taken into account?”


    Obama Defends His Legacy: "These Are The Kinds Of Things You Learn" - BuzzFeed News

    Isn't this like a former top aide to President Walker admitting in 2022 that Walker always believed in evolution, only to have Walker -- in an interview with TownHall.com -- that the aide is mistaken, and that he did not always believe in evolution "per se"?
     
  5. RecoveringJournalist

    RecoveringJournalist Well-Known Member

    Would you consider that a fair question to ask a candidate? Do you think Adam and Eve actually existed?

    I would love to see how any of the candidates would answer that question. I doubt the answer from the democratic candidates would be much different than the republicans.
     
  6. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Do you think this would result in some huge scandal? It would look exactly like a majority of news sites look today in covering the Obama lies. Then it would go away.
     
  7. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I think it's fair. I actually think it gives them less cover the wiggle around and off the hook.

    I would love to see Hillary's answer.

    I wonder if anyone would have the guts to say, "No."
     
  8. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Rich Lowry:

    Now, for someone paying very close attention, the president’s statements were never credible. He said he favored gay marriage on a 1996 questionnaire and his administration soon did all it could to unravel the legal basis of traditional marriage, even while the president professed his devotion to it.

    It’s quite rich to have the president’s campaign maestro write a book titled, “Believer,” wherein he reveals a deception by the man we’re all supposed to believe in. On “Morning Joe” the other day, Axelrod opened the discussion of his book with a stirring denunciation of political cynicism, then bristled when asked about the marriage lie.

    The president, per Axelrod, was merely trying “to square” his real view with public opinion and he was “frustrated” that he had to deceive. The implication is that the president’s lies are noble. They are excesses of his forward thinking.


    Vox Obama - Rich Lowry - POLITICO Magazine
     
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    LOL
     
  10. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Agree totally on that last point. The ship has sailed on all three. They're not worth discussing anymore when the next president has more important matters to attend to.
     
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  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    How would a Dem candidate answer the question:

    Would raining the federal minimum wage cost jobs?

    Does anyone think they would answer this question honestly, or would they pander, and try to talk about "fairness" and other such things, without actually answering the question?
     
  12. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    The ship has not sailed on abortion.

    I guess you could make the argument that it has on gay marriage.

    Evolution? The ship might sail when the mostly debunked intelligent design goes away, but likely there will be something else to replace it.
     
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