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Mariota or Winston?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by JackReacher, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. RecoveringJournalist

    RecoveringJournalist Well-Known Member

    I think you're letting hindsight cloud your judgment. We know now that Newton has become a good QB. In 2011, most of us here thought he would be somewhere between mediocre and a bust.

    Also, isn't Winston considered a much better pocket passer than Newton?
     
  2. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Good pocket passers don't throw jump balls.

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  3. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    This is true. But I know more than a few Seminoles fans who have had enough of Winston.
     
  4. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    All quarterbacks throw some jump balls. What would you call Brady's first interception in the Super Bowl?
     
  5. amraeder

    amraeder Well-Known Member

    True. It was a different era, with a lot fewer throws behind the line of scrimmage. But I did think about that - and Tuiasosopo's 6.6 Y/A didn't exactly jump off the page.
    It also isn't like 60+% completions were unheard of back then.
    Brees completed 60.4% of his passes at a 7.2 Y/A clip.
    Drew Henson was 60.4% and 8.2 Y/A
    Leftwitch was 61.1/7.3
    Dave Ragone was 61.0/7.4
    I could list a lot more (Sexy Rexy, Weinke, McCown, Claussen, and a whole bunch of people whose names I log ago forgot about or never new).
    So, definitely a different era. Less completion % inflation.
    But Tuiasosopo's season was still ugly.
     
  6. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    Maybe so, but it ended with him holding the Rose Bowl trophy. All three of those Pac-10 QBs with mediocre completion percentages won major bowls (Smith, Fiesta; Harrington, Holiday) and their teams were a combined 32-4.
     
  7. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    His 3rd interception in 200 Super Bowl pass attempts.
     
  8. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    As a college player, Brady had 3o TDs and 17 INTs. His junior year, he was 14 and 10. Don't cherry pick the simple fact even the greatest athletes make bad plays.
     
  9. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    He certainly regressed last season, but he didn't do it that often his freshman year that I recall. Maybe he threw more up for grabs because he was so confident in his receivers, or maybe he was just pressing too hard to make plays and live up to his Heisman season. I still think he is a very good pocket passer. But he did not look like it several times this season.
     
  10. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

  11. RecoveringJournalist

    RecoveringJournalist Well-Known Member

    If this is going to happen, the Eagles are going to need to find a team in the top 5 that wants Foles and is comfortable dropping that far in the first round. There's a reason why trades like this don't happen too often. The Falcons moving up to take Julio Jones jumps to mind, but I can't think of another situation where a team traded up from the second half of the first round into the top 5 to take a QB.

    I hope it happens too. It will be fun to watch.
     
  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    There is no way the price the Eagles would have to pay for this jump would be worth it unless Mariota turns out to be as good as Peyton Manning. And even then it might not be.
     
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