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Sheep is done and so am I

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by copperpot, Mar 16, 2015.

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  1. WriteThinking

    WriteThinking Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I guess he gets it. :)

    You're right on point there, Jeff. We've probably all have said or thought that at times about our own participation here.

    And I'm sure a lot of us have indeed noticed that you've put a lot of time and effort into the site, and it's appreciated. I also appreciated that you put word, officially, regarding the ban of Boom. It was good to know where he went, anyway. I think it was too harsh and not right, but it was good to know why such a prolific, sometimes polarizing (although I never had any issues with him) poster had just...suddenly disappeared.
     
  2. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    The change in direction happened too fast.
    Especially for a board that was wide open in tone and direction.

    It was a thrill ride every day, and a different thrill ride on any given day.
    That kept pulling audience. Anything could happen, and often did. That's a great draw.

    Personal attacks go too far, so I guess we've all learned our lessons now.
    But snarking and clever baiting and even trolling get plenty of laughs when done well.
     
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  3. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    In regards to my "toxic" post, I should say that after I learned to ignore the trolls, it wasn't toxic to me. And it is far less so now, but that might be because there is a lot less activity. I never had issue with Boom because I finally learned to ignore him when he was trying to stir things up. But there are a lot of people who don't do that. And yes, that is their problem, but it pollutes the board when they get into pissing matches. And while I have participated in criticizing Reilly, King and others, the way we have treated a lot of writers overall has been shameful from the time I started lurking, considering it is/was supposed to be a journalism board.
     
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  4. expendable

    expendable Well-Known Member

    I can't remember exactly what I said to Jeff when I replied to his PM, but while I disagree with Boom's banning, I respect his decision as owner of his board run his business as he sees fit. And I appreciate his openness. Making a decision and being man enough to stand behind it is refreshing, even if it's not popular with many (that sure beats the passive-aggressive style of this new form of newspaper management).

    I do wish I could hit a switch and go back to 2006 when I joined the board. It was a better time, both here and in the newsroom. I left the field in August of 2013, and feel this place keeps me connected to something I once enjoyed, and I still love -- even if I'm only loving how things used to be. I hope I can hold onto this, even if one day SJ.com is reduced to a bunch of old guys and gals telling war stories down at the VFW.
     
  5. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Jeers, we hang out at a bar named Jeers.

    And this moaning about the board not being as good as it was X months/years ago happens every few years. It comes around every four, maybe five years. Somebody leaves and it causes wailing and gnashing of teeth about the future of the board. Then we keep it going and eventually we forget so-and-so ever posted here.
     
  6. Vombatus

    Vombatus Well-Known Member

    I plan on posting here for a long time. I feel at home here. Comfortable. At ease.

    And in a world of Internet crap and texting abbreviations, typos, misspellings, etc., it is nice to be in a place where people can form intelligent coherent thoughts, and post them with proper English.

    Well, most of you are capable of that. There are some exceptions, of course.
     
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  7. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Fixed that for you.
     
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  8. Vombatus

    Vombatus Well-Known Member

    Well played.
     
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  9. expendable

    expendable Well-Known Member

    There is a lot of truth in what you say. Some of that teeth-gnashing is really a symptom of the larger problem in the newsroom.
     
  10. sostartled

    sostartled Member

    Am I the only one whose opinion wasn't solicited?

    By the way, who is Boom?
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    So much drama.

    I understand the part in copperpot's post about people who have been banned. I advocate bans, and even vacations, as a last, last, last resort. There were people who have been absolute jerks to me for no reason on here, for example -- I had a loser on here stalking me from thread to thread lobbing insults at me at one point even though I had never even directed a post to the idiot -- who I didn't advocate banning. It's what I have told others who have problems on here. Just ignore it. If you think someone is stupid or a jerk -- don't respond to them. Pass them by, no matter how much they try to bait you. Save your posts for people you care more about.

    That said, there was a lot of toxicity on the board that we were not dealing with. And there were a lot of people who weren't ignoring others, the way I am suggesting. They were becoming as bad, or worse, than the people they were taking the bait from. And the board was having problems because of it -- it had been that way for a while.

    I think Jeff has been heavy handed, but please don't make anyone who has been tossed into a martyr. At best, in the case of a few of the bans (and there haven't been that many), they were were people who came on here to just be assholes and shit all over the board. And the tone has changed for the better since they've been gone. Even some people who are otherwise OK on here, but were often getting into personal feuds that were spilling all over the board, have toned it down since Jeff asked them to cool it.

    I haven't agreed with some of the bans, but at the same time, it's not like he is just on an ego trip, or randomly picking users to ban. He also hasn't laid out some plan to boost membership or page views, the way copperpot suggested. In fact, when he gave a vacation to someone who was creating problems all over the board, I joked that he just cut his site traffic in half -- it was someone who was on here all day at the time, and was going through a period in which he or she was throwing up a gazillion posts every day.

    Just use common sense. Don't act like an unhinged jerk because someone posted something you don't agree with. Don't make it personal. Don't take gratuitous shots just to be nasty, don't take constant passive aggressive digs at others, don't create endless drama over everything on the site, etc. There is a fine line between piling on the occasional user who shows up and acts like a silly cartoon character (people who have been on here for a long time should know when it is funny and when it isn't) and being the guy who takes passive aggressive digs at everyone and everything just to try to prove that he is the snarkiest anonymous guy on a message board.

    My solution has always been "ignore it." Jeff has taken it a step farther and said, "People shouldn't have to ignore it. Don't be that guy (or girl) that others have to ignore." Agree or disagree -- and you can CERTAINLY express your disagreement on here -- but it shouldn't be that big a deal for 95 percent of the people on here who are just cool.

    In my opinion, for what it is worth, nothing Jeff has done is worth the cliched "I am quitting the board!" thread. With regard to the member's passing, unless copperpot is privy to something I am not, and Jeff has lied to me -- and I will bet with 95 percent certainty that she is not and Jeff is not lying -- there was NOTHING disrespectful or disgusting or worthy of that cryptic post. It was the opposite. The member had posted some personal details about his life, and his family's life, over the years that his family didn't want lingering on the Internet now that he is gone. Jeff was responsive and gave the family unfettered ability to edit or remove some of his posts, as they saw fit. I can't understand why that became a source of this drama.
     
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  12. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

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