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Aaron Hernandez -- Guilty of 1st degree murder

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by JackReacher, Apr 15, 2015.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Of course they were deliberate because he is a celebrity. That always happens. Someone linked to the SI story about how Darren Sharper was caught, and he was raping women in different cities, and in each case, the cops investigating were overly deliberate about pressing charges because with a celebrity you only get one shot, so they want to make sure they have all their T's crossed. In New Orleans, the case got bumped up to the top of the chain of command and it made it sound like they were hamstringing the detective (although he sounded like a crummy detective anyhow).

    In the case of reasonable doubt, you can always create a doubt if you concoct a scenario that has someone else committing the crime. The question is whether you really have created doubt, when the prosecutor is relentless presenting evidence that points the finger at you.

    I didn't follow the case, and I don't know the evidence, but from reading the CNN story in which they interviewed the jury members, I was impressed that they seemed to take the responsibility seriously and gave him a full deliberation.
     
  2. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    The commonwealth doesn't have to prove that Hernandez pulled the trigger in order to prove first-degree murder in this case. All the commonwealth has to prove is that he entered into a joint venture with his co-defendants to kill Odin Lloyd and that the killing was either premeditated or done with extreme atrocity or cruelty.

    There is significant evidence in this case that Hernandez was involved to a degree that is beyond that of aiding and abetting - before or after-the-fact. Hernandez drove the vehicle to and from the kill site. He owned a firearm of the same make and model that was used to kill Lloyd. He was seen in security video carrying a firearm of similar size and description to the type that was used to kill Lloyd. A representative of Glock testified that the gun Hernandez is seen carrying appeared to be a Glock .45. While the murder weapon was never recovered, a .22 owned by Hernandez was found at the scene. He had his girlfriend dispose of evidence from his house.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    What's your gut feeling, Frantic - did he pull the trigger? I understand that it may not be all that significant, but did he? I suspect that may be why he's been telling people he didn't do it, and why he mouthed to the jury, "You're wrong." It's possible this is how he's rationalizing it. Wish I knew for sure. I hate not knowing.
     
  4. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    I waffle on it, and it's hard not to consider the information that wasn't allowed to go in front of the jury - the pending double homicides, the shooting in Florida and the serious assault on a bouncer. He certainly seems capable of having been the trigger man. But I agree with your assessment that he may be rationalizing his innocence because someone else actually did the killing, and he doesn't grasp, or doesn't want to grasp, that he didn't have to actually pull the trigger to be guilty of murder.

    I find it very hard to believe that he did not know what was going to happen when he drove them out there.

    I doubt we'll ever know. I'm sure the co-defendants will both try to pin it on him in their trials.
     
  5. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Pull the trigger or not is irrelevant not merely legally, but logically. Think of the group dynamic, big celebrity plus nowhere hangers-on. It had to be his idea in the first place.
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Or it was his idea to put a scare into Lloyd, and his buddies went too far, perhaps to please him, they thought.
     
  7. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    If it was that, he'd have made some statement to that effect during the arrest-indictment process.
     
  8. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Ray Lewis didn't.

    Granted, he wasn't on trial for his life.
     
  9. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Lewis was guilty of lying to investigators during that process. That's what he pled to anyway.
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Did he make any statements at al during that process?

    Or did he shut the fuck up, like a defendant should, even an innocent one?
     
  11. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    As the old saying goes, the only story you don't have to memorize is the truth.

    So consider all the ways Hernandez tried to cover his tracks, and how he would have had to do it again. That dumbass isn't going to be able to square up every lie in plausible fashion under that kind of pressure.
     
  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    He went to Stanford!

    Oh, wait, that wasn't him.
     
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