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Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Jun 26, 2015.

  1. Iron_chet

    Iron_chet Well-Known Member

    If the only people that the gay married couple want to compel to recognize their marriage is the state, what possible objection could a person have to gay marriage except for having animus towards homosexuality?

    I guess I have yet to meet anyone so logical that they are completely accepting of homosexuality in others yet have an objection to gay marriage.
     
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  2. BitterYoungMatador2

    BitterYoungMatador2 Well-Known Member

    So the same-sex couple is then required to go out and purchase individual health insurance policies, since one can't piggyback the other's like most households.
    One has no legal right to the other's social security or retirement package after death, forcing this couple to either work longer who go out and purchase whole life insurance policies.
    Can't piggyback on dental. See above.
    Not to mention the tax advantages of filing jointly.

    You love your gay friends so much you want them to shell out more money year after year until they die. Yup, that's love.
     
  3. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    It's a sin, dawg. God would rather have a reduction in the price of beer.
     
  4. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    The privileges that accompany a state-recognized union extend far beyond the legal and financial realm.
     
  5. Iron_chet

    Iron_chet Well-Known Member

    I am specifically referring to your scenario about who a gay couple want to compel "others" to recognize their marriage.

    What other privileges besides financial and legal extend far beyond the real as you put it?
     
  6. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Yes, I agree. I am also for blacks and slavery. I am also for equal rights and glorifying the Civil War as a great thing.
     
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  7. schiezainc

    schiezainc Well-Known Member

    I think what's lost in this discussion is the fact that despite this SCOTUS ruling, private citizens and individual religions are free to completely ignore and not recognize gay unions as legitimate unions in their own individual eyes.
    Meaning, the Catholic Church is free not to recognize two gay men or two gay women as married in the eyes of their church. That's fine. Have at it.
    This is no different than the Catholic Church not recognizing a person's second or third heterosexual marriage as well.
    No one is telling the church it has to recognize these unions and, might I counter, that while I am an unapologetic supporter of gay rights and am incredibly proud of our country for this week's decision, this needs to be a distinction that stands the test of time.
    This week's ruling simply means that individual states, you know that collection of governments that make the rules for everyone, can't turn a blind eye to gay marriages and they shouldn't be able to. Not in a world where a marital status gives you a world of financial benefits and has longterm consequences far more important than checking a box on a survey that asks if you're single or married.
    As long as there is a real, tangible benefit to being married, and as long as it decides things like insurance, end-of-life privileges, estate planning, etc, it needs to be applied equally to every American citizen regardless of sexual orientation.
    But if you don't like gay marriage? And you don't condone homosexuality? Well, that's fine too.
    In my opinion, that makes you a close-minded piece of homophobic trash but I celebrate your right to feel that way because we are a country that prides ourselves on freedom of ideas.
    And if you don't like or believe in gay marriage, you SHOULD be free to practice that BELIEF in your life.
    So while I applaud this week's ruling, I truly hope this doesn't lead to a chipping away of the religious freedom that currently allows churches to say what it is they believe and who it is they believe can get married within the halls of their own individual doctrines.
    And I admit I am conflicted about the ideas of private businesses being forced to accept gay marriage as, being a business owner myself, I believe this country should be one where you are free to accept or turn away any business you deem fit.
    But the bottom line here is, to me anyway, that this was a much-needed ruling that we will all one day look back on in the same way we look at interracial marriage today. It's just sad to me that it appears we can no longer have a conversation that's anything but black and white on an issue like this.
     
  8. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Gay rights have been a national issue for almost 40 years. Same sex marriage has been legal in Massachusetts for 12 years. Feel however you want about it, but you can't claim an "it's too soon for me to fully comprehend how I feel about it" defense.
     
  9. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member



    "History moves fast. It’s hard to believe that gay Americans achieved
    full Constitutional personhood just five years after corporations did."
     
  10. Kato

    Kato Well-Known Member

    The Lockhorns reference in the Colbert video was outstanding.
     
  11. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Fill in the blank so we can quit playing games and so that everyone is on board with how you really feel:

    "If I am not 100 percent supportive of the SCOTUS decision on gay marriage, with zero reservations whatsoever, I am _______________."
     
  12. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

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