With gay marriage decided, what will be the next big left-led social change?

[YankeeFan]

Um, no, you're saying that nothing is being done to boost diversity. I'm pointing out that there are things being done.

How's that working out Baron? African-Americans getting a lot of good building trade union jobs in cities like New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, etc.?

But, at least you are willing to admit that the building trades were racist, right? They were racist, we do agree on that, right?

But, hey, things are "being done".

 

[YankeeFan]

Here's another one:

"The Building Pathways program in Boston, MA is just one example. The program is sponsored by the Building & Construction Trades Council of the Metropolitan District in partnership with Action for Boston Community Development, the Boston Housing Authority, the Building Trades Training Directors Association, and The Construction institute. Building Pathways is funded through grants from the US Department of Labor, Employment & Training Administration; Commonwealth Corporation; the City of Boston Neighborhood Jobs Trust; the AFL-CIO Building America Community Development Entity, and BNY Mellon.
Building Pathways is a pre-apprenticeship program designed to provide a structured opportunity for citizens in disadvantaged communities to gain access to skill craft apprenticeship training."

BCTD: Black History Month: Helping to Change the Paradigm of African American Economics

Sorry. I just can't stop laughing.

Boston, until San Francisco surpassed it, was our leading white, liberal city, and also one of our most racist cities. One of our most segregated cities.

So, what, there's some program, some "partnership" in place to fix all of these problems?

How's it going? Are they seeing good results? Are lots of African-Americans now working in the building trades in Boston.

LOL.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

How's that working out Baron? African-Americans getting a lot of good building trade union jobs in cities like New York, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, etc.?

But, at least you are willing to admit that the building trades were racist, right? They were racist, we do agree on that, right?

But, hey, things are "being done".

"were racist".

How nice, you're stuck in the 70s again.

 

[YankeeFan]

"were racist".

How nice, you're stuck in the 70s again.

So, were they?

That's at least a starting point if you can admit to that.

Cran and Ace didn't even know that they were racist, despite lawsuits that dragged on for 40 years.

I say they still are racist, but I'll take it as a small victory if you'll admit that they were racist.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

You must really be desperate for victories.

 

[YankeeFan]

You must really be desperate for victories.

I'm just looking for common ground Baron.

Just tell me, do we agree that the building trade unions were racist as recently as the 1980's?

 

[Baron Scicluna]

I'm just looking for common ground Baron.

Just tell me, do we agree that the building trade unions were racist as recently as the 1980's?

Beats me, I was in grade school, junior high and high school at the time. I spent most of my time giving a shirt about Amanda Peterson.

 

[YankeeFan]

Want a job with Local one, you better be related to someone, and if you want a good job, it probably helps to be one of the five brothers of the chapter president:

Local One has established its prerogatives through a closed network, where a select few members benefit and the rank and file are scared to protest for fear of retaliation. Chapter President Claffey is the son of a Local One member and has counted five brothers in the union. The leadership is predominantly white and male, and of the union's 3,000 members, few are women. Thanks to a tiered salary structure and a union-controlled promotion system, not all of the members benefit from the big payouts. One anonymous blogger who has identified himself as a rank-and-file member has railed against what he calls the union's system of preferment: "2500 victims plus the 350 to 500 plus relatives and loop boys."

A Strike Forces Carnegie Hall to Cancel Its Opening Night Concert | By James Panero - WSJ


But, an Ivy League economist says we need to put this in "context". It all goes back to the guild system in Britain, you see, so it's totally understandable:

But for context, I talked to three labor scholars who told me a different story. Lois Spier Gray, an economist, emeritus professor at Cornell's School of Industrial and Labor Relations and co-author of Under the Stars: Essays on Labor Relations in Arts and Entertainment, says that IATSE is a century old and has built its bargaining power on its members' skills. "They cannot be replaced by ordinary carpenters or electricians," she says. To those like the Journal, who think the stage hands' salaries are unfair, she says, "These labor disputes aren't settled by who's right and who's wrong. It's a bargaining situation and the employer, Carnegie Hall, wants the cooperation of the stagehands in exchange for their work."

The notion that Local One is dominated by patronage goes back to the guild system in Britain and the U.S., she points out, where young people learned trades from their fathers.

Why Should Stage Hands At Carnegie Hall Make $400,000? - Forbes

 

[YankeeFan]

Beats me, I was in grade school, junior high and high school at the time. I spent most of my time giving a shirt about Amanda Peterson.

What did the posts you just made tell you? Weren't they trying to fix some problem? Like, a problem with RACISM?

And the reason you don't know about this is because the Dems are terrified of losing even one more "white working class" voter. They can't afford to make an issue of this. It would set off chaos in the party.

But, you knew Augusta had no black members, didn't you? Ever think of why that is?

Squirrel!

 

[Baron Scicluna]

What did the posts you just made tell you? Weren't they trying to fix some problem? Like, a problem with RACISM?

And the reason you don't know about this is because the Dems are terrified of losing even one more "white working class" voter. They can't afford to make an issue of this. It would set off chaos in the party.

But, you knew Augusta had no black members, didn't you? Ever think of why that is?

Squirrel!

Squirrel?

 

[YankeeFan]

 

[Baron Scicluna]