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Slut shaming in the Buffalo News?

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Dick Whitman, Aug 10, 2015.

  1. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    The information provided by the bar owner doesn't meet basic journalistic standards in terms of veracity or relevance.
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I guess this is where we diverge. First, there's nothing about how she was dressed. But there is a lot about her open interest in Kane, which would be consistent with a consent defense.

    What if Kane were reportedly forcing himself on women at the bar all night, trying to kiss everyone? That seems like it would indicate that he was capable of this.

    This will be a he-said, she-said case, and the accuser is always to be believed. If their behavior beforehand isn't relevant, then what would be?
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    The police have asked to speak to him.
     
  4. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Maybe I have been out of the bar scene too long, but haven't we all experienced that night of intense flirtation followed by her jumping in a cab and waving goodnight, or going to someone's house and she makes out a little bit but doesn't want to go further?

    Or do we just assume that never happens to hockey players and that any woman who leaves a bar with them is implicitly OK with whatever happens -- in Roethlisberger parlance, DTF?
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    This is not an absolute. Her interest in consistent with someone who later may have been likely to grant success. Of course, it's more than possible that she didn't want to go further. Most women don't. But we're in the land of reasonable doubt here, and that this even raises the possibility that she consented ever so slightly is relevant to introducing reasonable doubt into the case.
     
  6. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    And will no doubt accept everything he says as unfailing truth.
     
  7. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Sure, in a court of law with cross-examination.

    In the Buffalo News, shitty journalism.
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Then so is reporting the investigation at all. It's not open season on defendants.
     
  9. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    One more time: Neither the bar owner nor the newspaper have any idea if the flirting woman was the accuser or not.
     
  10. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I really don't get it. A police investigation is a real actual thing based on allegations that the police find credible at least initially. It's something happening.

    What Patrick Kane's buddy (and for these purposes business partner) says about what a swell guy he is and what a whore she is, that is not a real actual thing.

    I guess I'm just tired of the same old story. This is how Kobe's defense started, this is how Winston's defense started, this is how it always starts. So, essentially, to answer my own question from earlier: If you are going to go anywhere with an athlete, you better have already made up your mind that he can fuck you however he wants.

    A news outlet can and should be better than this.
     
  11. Lugnuts

    Lugnuts Well-Known Member

    Dick:

    For all we know her openly flirting with him in public could mean she wanted to date and marry him.

    The rape kit and physical evidence (scratches, bruises, bite marks, or lack thereof) will speak much more to the question of consent.
     
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  12. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Or she wanted to be seen as the prettiest girl at the bar because she won the jock's interest.

    Or, again -- maybe it wasn't even her, and it was her friend.

    Could be so many things. But don't kid yourself about how that passage of the story will be interpreted.
     
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