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Chevy Volt a Failure - GM to Layoff 1,300

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Mar 2, 2012.

  1. JayFarrar

    JayFarrar Well-Known Member

    When we were in San Fran/NorCal a couple months, we had a running joke about the number of Teslas we saw as it seemed like they were every other car the closer we got to Palo Alto.
     
  2. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Yeah, LA is so representative of the country.

    LA is obsessed with what's hot, and what's trending. Tesla is both a status symbol, and "green". Of course folks in LA love it.
     
  3. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    The ones who can shell out $100K for that P85D love it.
     
  4. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    As long as they support the right causes, it's OK if they're part of the nasty 1%.
     
  5. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    Yeah, cause California's tastes never translate to the rest of the country.
     
  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Of course they do. But, the rest of the country doesn't have $100,000+ to spend on a luxury car.
     
  7. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    Except plenty of people do, and they are.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The company has delivered fewer than 80,000 cars since they started producing the Model S in 2012 and a good chunk of those cars were delivered to other countries. So this is a perception thing, not a reality thing.

    Remove the hype and look at Tesla's balance sheet -- something that is actually quantifiable when throwing around terms like "success" and "failure." And you see a company that is unprofitable and has run up more than $2 billion in debt.

    You can maybe discuss the likelihood of it delivering on anything remotely close to what has been built into the hype / valuation of the company in the FUTURE. But in terms of what it has already accomplished? Last month, it said it won't reach the 55,000 cars it said it would sell this year. And that was way down from whatever sales targets it was throwing around 2 and 3 years ago.
     
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  9. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    Isn't everything in life, particularly economics?
     
  10. murphyc

    murphyc Well-Known Member

    If that was true, companies like Mercedes Benz, Rolls Royce, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc. would have left the U.S. market long ago.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    You can get into a Mercedes for less than $40,000: Sports Cars, Luxury Cars, and Vehicles from Mercedes-Benz | Mercedes-Benz

    The others, especially Rolls, Ferrari and Lamborghini are really small players. How many states even have a dealership for one of those three brands?

    Of course there's a market for them, but it's small, and places like LA and Silicon Valley make up a sizable portion of that market.
     
  12. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Maserati has sold fewer units (less than 60,000) across its entire model lineup during that span. BMW sells fewer M6 convertibles per year than that, and even sells fewer of its regular 6-series models, which are less expensive. Audi sells fewer than 800 R8 models per year. Aston Martin sold 4,200 units across its model lineup in 2013 and they were excited about the jump in sales. Saying Tesla has delivered fewer than 80,000 cars as evidence that it is failing is misleading.

    Now, those companies are profitable, so there's a clear distinction between what they are producing and what Tesla is doing. But your units sold figure is not a good indicator of success when discussing vehicles at that price point.

    Skepticism is warranted and if you feel investing in Tesla is a bad risk, that's reasonable position to take given the other evidence you've presented. But given the resources Musk is putting behind this company, the long-term societal need to wean off dependence on fossil fuels and, yes, the government benefits Tesla has received, I'm more inclined to believe Tesla will ultimately be successful.
     
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