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Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Jun 26, 2015.

  1. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    Of course, George Zimmerman and Joe the Plumber are doing all right for themselves.
     
  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Dick, do you really think she's getting rich?

    Joe The Plumber isn't rich. His book didn't sell for shit.

    She is a horrible-looking and horrible-speaking person and thus not likely to land on Fox News.

    In effect she is the Cliven Bundy of the same-sex marriage movement.
     
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  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    If Trump was any kind of showman, he'd cut her about a $5 million check.
     
  4. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    He said she should follow the law.
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    So what? That was hours ago.
     
  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Matthew 6:1: "Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."

    Romans 13:1-2: Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

    From a Christian perspective, Kim Davis should either quietly accept jail and preach the gospel from that setting, do the job placed before her by authorities, or resign as a matter of conscience.

    What she wants is to keep all duties of her job except the one she doesn't like, reap the financial rewards of said job, and have legal exclusions applied to her so she can keep said job.

    This isn't about her conscience.

    It's about what too many Christians think they're entitled to: Freedom to make money how they please and have that sync up perfectly with their belief systems as they see fit. And when it doesn't, they fall back on the canard of believing the Constitution entitles them (and since I'm a Christian, me) to making a good living while our conscience remains non-mussed. It does not. It never did, really; things just played in the favor of white Christians for 200-some years. But now it doesn't, and we're pissed, and we have no real right to be.

    I have no issue with Kim Davis being financially supported by other Christians, if she'd said "I can't do this job, yet I've now lost my income, and I need the help of fellow believers." We're called to help Kim Davis in those circumstances. I think Christians are called to pay for poor Christian kids to go to nice private schools, frankly.

    But she didn't do that. Instead, she turned this event into an opportunity first grandstand about a God who does not need her blessing of authority - He has it - and then some story of religious persecution. In a sense, I'd argue Kim Davis doesn't trust God particularly, because she doesn't appear to trust Him with the one thing she should: Her financial well-being.

    This is an Americanization - and thus bastardization - of Christianity. It is, simply, not about being a good person, or a moral person, or a successful person, or giving out a few God hollas.

    Curiously, it's Carly Fiorina, the uber-capitalist, who nailed the Kim Davis analysis best.

    “Is she prepared to continue to work for the government, be paid for by the government, in which case she needs to execute the government’s will, or does she feel so strongly about this that she wants to sever her employment with the government and go seek employment elsewhere where her religious liberties would be paramount over her duties as a government employee?”

    There's nothing else to be said, really. The rest is blather.
     
  7. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    Yet the left ignores some laws and believes it is morally superior for doing so (and is not punished), while someone ignoring a law in the name of God and Jesus Christ and religious freedom is labeled an evil person and sent jail to the cheers of those same lefties. Because ... hypocrisy and the gaystapo.
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Name names.
     
  9. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    It's straight up BS though.

    Imagine a Christian who serves in the Air Force, yet so strongly is against the murder of collateral damage (let's say, children in a town full of known ISIS leaders) that they deliberately sabotage a drone or a plane so that its bomb heads out to sea, rather than the target.

    That person, in theory, saved children. But that person is thrown in prison, too. And none of us blink an eye, either. We say "well, you shouldn't have signed up if you weren't comfortable with the reality of the job."

    The difference between those two scenarios? We can all agree that ISIS is bad. We can't all agree gays should be married.

    And I'm not talking about liberal or conservative or any of that. I identify with neither, really. I identify as Christian.
     
  10. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    He'll have a link from a credible site soon
     
  11. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    And let me be clear, too, that if Kim Davis wants to stay in jail for 18 months, and do so without fanfare, so be it.

    I think it's pretty clear, at least right now, she wants to be let out, get paid for her job, be untroubled by any aspect of her job that she doesn't want to do - which, after this, will be most aspects of the job - and also get to tell people how wronged she's been, and get to tell her story for money, and get to lecture people who come in for marriage licenses, and take days off to go on The Today Show and all the usual BS, Christians who get stars in their eyes like to engage in.
     
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  12. qtlaw24

    qtlaw24 Active Member

    Maybe this is to be anticipated, but as someone in the field, I accept that the Supreme Court is flawed. But like anything in our country, is there a better alternative? Given the checks and balances in our governing system and looking at the alternatives, I say absolutely no.

    Are there bad precedents before? Yes. But without final say, the judiciary is superfluous and meaningless. Just look at the supposed supreme courts in China or Russia, their decisions are without teeth.

    Do I agree with every Supreme Court justice? No, but I respect the institution and accept their rulings because its part of the process.
     
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