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S.C. deputy filmed slamming teen girl out of desk, dragging her away

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by dixiehack, Oct 27, 2015.

  1. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Where in my post did I say I wouldn't also hold my child accountable, tony? You can be unhappy with the resource officer's use of force AND discipline the child. I'd damn sure be doing both. No way my kid would pull that in a classroom because she knows she's be paying for it at home as well as at school.

    That said, I see a man that big in an altercation with my daughter, I'm going to be pissed regardless of the situation. Then again, my daugther is only 12, so a bit younger and smaller than the girl in the video.
     
  2. trifectarich

    trifectarich Well-Known Member

    If we need cell phones to teach our kids, it's little wonder our educational system is so inept.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Do we need them? I suppose not. In fact, devices are often overused because they are viewed as some sort of mystical talisman.

    That said: Used correctly, just like anything else, they can be extremely helpful. My son uses something on the iPad called RAZ-Kids that takes him through reading levels, A to Z. Each level has about 20 books in it, on various topics, and the reading and subject matter both get more challenging over time. There is a quiz at the end of each book. There is also an Xtra Math app on the iPad and the iPhone for the kids to use.

    I don't see how this isn't a vast improvement over forcing high ability kids to plod along with whatever the teacher gives to the entire class. He's reading about the "Treasures of the Titanic" or a biography of Albert Einstein while the required reading, in a printed book, is along the lines of, "This is Ned. See Ned jump. Ned is happy."

    There is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with using devices as learning tools, as implied by the quoted post. Hell, as an adult, I prepare for my annual sports trivia contest by gorging on Sporcle quizzes.

    Why is our "educational system . . . so inept"? In my experience, it has little to do with devices, and much more to do with the opposite (among many other reasons, including a poor talent pool for teachers): Teachers who pass out mimeographed worksheets like it were still 1957.
     
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  4. amraeder

    amraeder Well-Known Member

    I mean, I don't think the teacher called the police officer. I think the administrator did. I wonder if the teacher was too quick to call the administrator, and the administrator was too quick to call the police officer.
    Like I said, it's possible they did everything logically. And it's possible they didn't. I don't know enough, like I said.
    I agree wholeheartedly with your teacher friends, though I'd add calling the administrator, as well as the police officer, should be a last resort. Which is why I'm curious what was going on before this. Weak teachers and weak administrators go to "last resorts" quicker than they should.

    (I'm also curious about the history of the student. Was there a documented emotional disability? Was there a behavior plan in place?)
     
  5. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Only in America could virtually unlimited access to information be considered a bad thing.
     
  6. amraeder

    amraeder Well-Known Member

    By my experience, this doesn't have to be true. Although admittedly there's multiple factors that go into it. But, in general, word spreads among students quickly, and the students will know what the consequence was and why the consequence was handed out. So, if the student isn't being actively disruptive, student sits there and sulks, student is given an in-school suspension, series of after-school detentions, or whatever the consequence is, the rest of the students know why it happened and modify their behavior accordingly.

    Of course this is most effective if the teacher has strong classroom management already, and always follows through on his/her consequences. If the teacher is seen as arbitrary in his application of consequences, it isn't effective. It's also best if it's in-line with how the teacher already handles his classroom management.

    (And, this student could be on a behavior plan, in which case, you need to stick to whatever was prescribed by the behavior plan. Also, as I've said repeatedly, there's a lot I/we don't know that alter the calculus. But the bolded part isn't necessarily true, again, depending on a lot of factors we don't know.)
     
  7. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    My son is in first grade, and even now, it's the same jack hole kids who show up every day and act like total idiots. Same kids who also show up every day and chatter non-stop about their Xbox and every other fun-time toy under the sun they get to play with. I mean, Jesus, take that shit away once in a while. Ever heard of a consequence?
     
  8. amraeder

    amraeder Well-Known Member

    I knew a teacher who once drove to a kid's house and, with the permission of the parent, took away the kid's XBox until his behavior in school improved. (Which it did).
     
  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Sheriff said the girl was not injured. "Maybe a rug burn or something."

    Her lawyer says, "there's no way she's going to be ok." Says she has injuries to her back, neck, forehead, and her arm. Her arm is in a cast.

    Sheriff may not be defending the officer, but he hasn't done a great job either.
     
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    There was a school board meeting last night.

    You'll be surprised to learn that opinion broke down along racial lines.
     
  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Race baiter.
     
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  12. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Here is what I don't get. If you are the officer and you ask the girl to get up several times and she refuses, isn't your next move to say:

    "OK. We're done playing around. You are now disobeying a police officer. If you don't get up and walk out that door right now, you are going to be arrested for interfering with a police officer and taken to jail. Your next call on that phone will be asking someone to provide bail money."
     
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