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S.C. deputy filmed slamming teen girl out of desk, dragging her away

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by dixiehack, Oct 27, 2015.

  1. cjericho

    cjericho Well-Known Member

    Again cop tells her to get up and get out of the class. She refuses. What does he do?
     
  2. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Officer should never have been called. It was a student disobedience issue, not a law enforcement issue. That said, once the officer was called, he should have followed FranticScribe's use-of-force continuum. If that guy couldn't get that little girl's hands behind her back to handcuff her without throwing her across the room, well, I question his training and his ability to handle larger suspects.
     
  3. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    You say it's a student disobedience issue. OK. Then how do school personnel handle the situation? Or do you let her disrupt the class because it's her civil right?
     
  4. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I'm watching one now I hadn't seen before. He still doesn't flip the desk, though I can see why people think he did. His hands are on her, not the desk.

    He also didn't "throw her across the room." He dragged/carried her most of the distance, though the second video I just watched does look like he tossed her down at the end (it cuts off before we can see how far she went, but he was near the front of the classroom, so it couldn't have been far. Certainly not enough for it to be accurate that he "threw her across the room."

    I stand by my overall point that the descriptions of his actions have been inaccurate and misleading, but I'll concede that he threw her after watching a different video. Not across the room, but he did throw her.
     
  5. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    I'm disappointed that the officer, with his strength training, did not execute the throw well. You would think he could have shot-put her.

    And then, to avoid the elephant in the room, find the nearest Caucasian youth and shot-put him/her, too, for balance.
     
  6. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    That is my question as well. People aren't getting that if they let her just sit there, she "wins" in her own eyes and those of her classmates. She is a distraction for the rest of the period and beyond that day. If she is allowed to just sit there and text, how does the teacher keep the rest of the class from doing the same thing?

    And no, punishing her later does not fix that problem. Not entirely. Consequences need to happen immediately for the person engaging in improper behavior and for that person's peers viewing the event.
     
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  7. cjericho

    cjericho Well-Known Member

    The use of force continuum goes from constructive authority to physical force. Unless there is a hidden or secret level in between. Then would be mechanical force, which he did not use. She also wasn't being arrested. In the thread about the kid with the clock most believed handcuffs = arrest, which is 99% of the time. He was telling her to leave the class, not arresting her.
     
  8. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    I stated upthread that I agreed with JC. Let her continue to play on her phone for the remainder of the period and suspend her. She wasn't disrupting the class when she was on her phone. It didn't become a disruption until the SRO was called in. She doesn't want to learn? Fine. Be quiet and let the other kids learn. You won't be attending my class, or any other, for the next few days. When she comes back, if it happens again, she fails the class and is prohibited from entering for the rest of the quarter/semester or whatever term they have.
     
  9. cjericho

    cjericho Well-Known Member

    Yes. Already said that, teacher's right to have class rules that prohibit cell phone use do not trump her right to freedom of speech with any way she chooses to communicate.
     
  10. TyWebb

    TyWebb Well-Known Member

    You are just itching to use that word again, aren't you?
     
  11. JohnHammond

    JohnHammond Well-Known Member

    We have a two-fer: naive and obtuse. You damn well know a larger suspect knows he or she is getting a nightstick beating, pepper sprayed, or receive a nice Taser shock if he or she refuses to comply. The girl knew she wasn't going to get treated that way, and certainly didn't think she would be forced out of the chair. As the knight in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade said: "(S)he chose poorly."
     
  12. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    How do you know she wasn't disrupting the class? We only have video of what happened when the officer arrived.

    If one student is allowed to openly disobey the teacher and play on her phone, that IS a distraction. The other students who want to screw around wonder why they can't do the same thing. She is getting a special privilege as a reward for her misbehavior. That image will have a lot more impact in the eyes of the other students than any punishment that comes later.
     
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