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S.C. deputy filmed slamming teen girl out of desk, dragging her away

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by dixiehack, Oct 27, 2015.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I am being really serious -- and it is not me being a "tough guy," whatever that means. It's me being a civil libertarian and realizing that the only way to protect my most basic rights is to exercise them.

    The common examples with regard to this are drunk driving checkpoints and those checkpoints within 50 or 100 miles of the border where they make people stop the car and start asking questions: "Have you had anything to drink?" or "Are you a U.S. citizen?" or "Where are you coming from?"

    I can easily "clear things up," by just answering. But I shouldn't have to if I am not breaking the law and they had no cause to stop me. And legally I DON'T have to.

    Which is why in that situation, I am not thinking, "Easiest thing to do is answer and clear things up." Yeah, it is easiest. But I am pissed off that they are harassing innocent people who should be free to live their lives without that kind of police-state intrusion. The fact that people are sheep and play along is what paves the way for more and more intrusion on our lives.

    We are free people. This idea that we are subservient to the police has it backward. In the situation of that checkpoint, if they had no probable cause to pull me over (i.e. -- They are pulling everyone over without any cause), no, I am not going to "clear things up" by telling him or her that I am a U.S. citizen, or where I am going, or whatever he or she wants to ask. It's none of their business. ... and I shouldn't have to justify my existence to a stranger just because they were given a badge. We don't live in a police state.

    I'll be polite. But the extent of my conversation is, "I don't want to talk to you. Are you detaining me or am I free to go?"
     
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  2. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    As re: the "smallest window" comment, if that's directed at me I must simply fart in your general direction.

    As re: the if you're out walking hypothetical, the wise man would be even more circumspect in his dealings with the officer. What possible good could come from answering questions you're not required to answer? If I know there's a burglary being investigated, the last thing I want to do is inadvertently make myself a suspect. Even if I don't know of anything particular that's being investigated, I'd be wary of making some innocuous comment that would be misinterpreted.

    Nope. Provide the information you're required to provide and that's it.
     
  3. YorksArcades

    YorksArcades Active Member

    So you wouldn't just say "No," "Yes," "the Turkish bathhouse," and be done with it?

    Your life is a complicated one.
     
  4. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Rags is right. And sometimes when the police ARE being nice to you, they are setting you up.

    Remember watching video of Volusia County sheriffs pulling over drivers on I-95. If you were a black or Hispanic coming north, they would be as nice as possible and warn that you didn't signal a lane change or something.

    Then as they were about to walk away from this friendly conversation, they would turn and ask if they could search your car.

    They didn't do it to white people.

    If they found money, they kept it.
     
  5. YorksArcades

    YorksArcades Active Member

    In the case I'm thinking of, the question was, "Were you on (...) Street 15 minutes ago?"

    The honest answer was "No."

    Then another patrol car arrived. That guy had apparently seen me out walking and verified the answer. End of event.

    I did look into it the next day, more out of curiosity than anything else.

    Of course, I could have gone the Ragu route and refused to answer any questions, but I'd probably still be standing there. Funny how life is less complicated.
     
  6. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    That happened to me in Tennessee.
     
  7. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    That's a relative term.

    My wife was surprised to learn that she could not buy nearsighted glasses, medicine for a sty or a simple syringe at the local pharmacy. She cannot buy milk straight from the cow, nor can she grow black currant in our back yard.

    She could do all those things in her "police state" of a country.
     
  8. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    She can always move back if she doesn't like it.
     
  9. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    She gladly would, if I were employable over there. Instead, she "gets over it" that things aren't 100 percent exactly as she would like them to be. What a concept.
     
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  10. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    Getting over not being able to buy milk straight from a cow ≠ getting over being regularly harrased by the cops because of skin color.
     
  11. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Define "regularly harassed."

    Then tell me exactly how many people you know who have been such.

    I know of many people who can point to isolated incidences. I know of none to whom such incidences occur "regularly."
     
  12. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    We're back to denying racial profiling exists?
     
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