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S.C. deputy filmed slamming teen girl out of desk, dragging her away

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by dixiehack, Oct 27, 2015.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The prisons are farmed out to contractors. But we're all on the hook for the cost of those prisons.

    I was making a distinction between things that are provided based on consumer demand. ... and a school system, which is not.

    Prison is not a demand-driven enterprise. We don't have prisons because consumers are out there buying prisons (i.e. -- demanding them with their money). We have them because people make a decision that we need them and leave it to our government to provide them. Similar to public schools.

    I agree that our prison system is fucked up, if that was your point. And it is a much more analogous comparison to public schools than a company whose product is provided in response to consumer demand -- the company doesn't exist unless individuals are freely out there choosing to buy what they offer. Public schools and prisons are not businesses satisifying consumer demand. Trying to compare them that way is a moose / duck comparison. They are allocated based on someone deciding what we are going to have, and our government either taxing everyone to meet the cost or running up debt that we are all on the hook for.
     
  2. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    Yeah, you're still wrong. What if you bought a Toyota, and it came highly rated, and you did your homework and everything checked out swell, and then later on the brakes fail and the airbags fail because bad employees, at the executive level, cut production costs and ignored the rules, causing massive injuries and hospital costs to you?

    Yeah, you're free to shop elsewhere at that point, but those bad decisions, from bad employees, cost thousands of consumers millions and millions of bucks. Some deaths involved, too.

    So, yeah, plenty of bad employees in the marketplace "effect" [sic] plenty of people in addition to the owners.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Your point was that there are no guarantees in life -- even when someone warrants something, it still might turn out to be a lemon?

    OK. Thanks for pointing that out.

    I'll state more of the obvious. ... not that it has anything to do with anything: We have a civil court system to deal with things like that, and try to make people whole again when they are wronged. If the brakes fail on your car, you have recourse, if the car company won't make it right -- for whatever the remedy in court might be worth.

    The point of the post you originally quoted to make that point. ... was that a public school system and a for-profit business are different animals. Schools are not demand-driven enterprises. ... the way for example, car companies are.
     
  4. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    For the record, that did not happen to me...yet.
     
  5. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Eh, forget that your family member was killed when their new car's brakes failed. The court system will make you whole.

    As for your second point, that's not what people like YF keep saying. They're saying that a school should be treated like a business, where if someone doesn't like where they are going, they should be able to go somewhere else. As in, there should be more of a demand for the better schools, than the poor ones. Plus, YF keeps thinking that teachers should be treated like private-sector employees. If they don't meet some measurable criteria, they should be fired. Nevermind that, as you say, a public school system is not like a for-profit business. The schools have to take every customer, even if the customer ruins the business atmosphere for the other customers.
     
  6. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    That breeze you felt was my point sailing over your head.

    I do take exception with what he did. I've posted as much on this thread. I also take exception with the student's behavior and with the misrepresentations of what happened here and in the media.

    To answer cranberry, this is a site for current and former journalists. Word choice should matter to us. It isn't nitpicking to point out how many people have misrepresented what happened. He did not body slam her. He did not throw her across the room. I've seen both of those descriptions all over this thread and I've heard and read it in news reports of the incident. We should know better here and people actually covering this should sure as hell know better.
     
  7. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    The continued nitpicking? Fine. Then, even though everybody here loves debate to a ridiculous degree, how many more pages is it going to take before a majority realizes that some of us are going to think it was a warranted act, some of us are going to think it was unwarranted and violent, and neither side is going to move the other's needle?
     
  8. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    You really want to see the teachers unions squawk?
     
  9. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    Yes, because the schools have gotten nothing but better since the federal department of education started operating in 1980. Another stroke of genius from Jimmy Carter.
     
  10. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Well shit ... you're no fun ...
     
  11. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Unless, of course, their pay is increased in proportion to the extra days that they're working, right?
     
  12. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    The needle moved. He was fired, justly.
     
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