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San Bernardino

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Inky_Wretch, Dec 2, 2015.

  1. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    It's funny because of how crazy his eyes look.
     
  2. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

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  3. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Love him or hate him, at least Trump is unequivocal in most things he says. "You HAVE to take out their families" is a good example. There's no wiggle room in that statement, and he repeated it verbatim at least three times.

    Words mean things. Especially coming from someone who's asking us to make him the "leader of the free world."
     
  4. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    You know, this is really funny.

    All through the Iran negotiations, Iranian leaders would lead chants of "Death to America" and publicly say what they would not agree to.

    And, we were told to not listen to what they were saying. It was just rhetoric, designed for "a domestic audience". We needed to understand this.

    But, if Trump says we need to wipe out the families of terrorists, we obviously need to take him literally. There's no way he might be saying such things to send a message to terrorists that if he's elected, everything's on the table.
     
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  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    It is certainly a bad thing if it is serving as an effective recruiting tool and feeding into the ISIS narrative about the United States.
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Trump says something, unequivocally, about "taking out" families, and we aren't to take him literally.

    Obama says nothing, about confiscating guns, and we are to, nonetheless, believe he is burning to do it.
     
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  7. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    I don't know who told us those things, but I can guarantee they sounded as stupid as the people defending Trump sound.
     
  8. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    And, what if it reduces ISIS membership because people don't want there families "taken out". Then it would be a good thing, right?

    No matter what someone says, people say, "that's exactly what ISIS wants us to do."

    If we fight them, we're doing what they want. If we define the enemy, we're doing what they want.

    And, the whole idea that what we do drives people to ISIS is absurd.

    Jihad predates the discovery and founding of America. It's not about us.

    I know you don't watch the ISIS videos, but do you know what they do use to attract recruits? They use beheading videos to attract new members. They burn a Jordanian prisoner alive, and film it to attract new members.

    It's specifically the savagery of ISIS that makes them appealing to their followers.

    And, they've been attracting new members al while Obama has been president, and has been saying nice things about Islam. So, why would we think their ability to recruit would be any different because of what Donald Trump says?

    The other thing they use in their videos are English speakers -- including American Muslims -- talking about beheading President Obama. They talk about blood running in the streets of America.

    But, somehow talking about taking out their families is going to negatively change the dynamic, and send more people their way?
     
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  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    You can take it literally. He said it. Hopefully our enemies take it literally.

    And, unless you think John Lott is lying about a private conversation, you know President Obama does not believe in the individual right to own a gun.
     
  10. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member

    "We would never do these heinous things. OR WOULD WE?!? We won't. BUT WE COULD!!!"

    (America holding a kitten above a woodchipper.)
     
  11. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    You don't think the killing of innocent civilians in drone strikes targeting terrorists, for example, has played a factor in turning more people into anti-American terrorists?

    ISIS itself grew out of our invasion of Iraq. Don't pretend our actions have nothing to do with it.
     
  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    You know, I'm starting to think that people here really do need to watch some ISIS videos.

    Their savagery is off of the charts.

    But, when I posted the NYPost cover, that showed the Jordanian pilot beginning to get burned to death, people here freaked out.

    If you believe that some fair minded person might be on the fence between choosing our system of representative government, and Western values, and ISIS' form of violence and repression, and some policy or statement by a presidential candidate might put them over to their side, you need to think about what you are saying.

    This isn't some choice between to near equals. The difference between us isn't so slight that a Mohammed cartoon should be able to make someone choose ISIS.

    If this is what's happening, then we have a far larger problem than any of is willing to accept.
     
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