San Bernardino

And, let's remember that many Mosques in America get their funding from the North American Islamic Trust.

Is that Saudi backed group moderate? Would we expect the Mosques they fund (and hold title to) to be "moderate".

They've funded about quarter of all Mosques in America.

 

When you believe like Inky does that "Jihad" is just about a "personal struggle" are you just a useful idiot?

Are you just believing what they want us to believe? What they tell us vs. what they say in Arabic, among themselves?

Do the Saudis, for instance really believe that something like the Charlie Hebdo attacks are un-Islamic?

To be sure, Saudi Arabia condemned the Paris crimes as un-Islamic and denied any association with the purpose, planning, or execution of the attacks. Yet, just one day later, its Wahhabi-controlled judiciary delivered the first 50 of 1,000 lashes to a blogger—who also was sentenced to 10 years in prison—for “insulting Islam,” the same alleged crime committed by Charlie Hebdo staffers. That blogger was subsequently brought up on a previously dismissed charge of apostasy from Islam, which carries the possibility of capital punishment. The blogger’s attorney, a Saudi human rights monitor who was merely defending a client, received a 15-year prison term as well last year for challenging royal and clerical authority—allegedly for “antagonizing international organizations against the kingdom” and “inciting public opinion against authorities.”

It is all part of a familiar game in which diplomatic words intended for non-Muslims—shortly before his death in December, King Abdullah denounced the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic State for “hijacking Islam and presenting it to the world as a religion of hatred”—diverge sharply from actions directed at Muslims worldwide and emanating from the Wahhabi-Saudi alliance.

The Saudi Connection: Wahhabism and Global Jihad

 

If you asked Inky about Scientology, he'd probably just tell you what David Miscavige says about it.

He is, after all, the leading Scientologist, why would you listen to anyone else over him?

The apostates who have left Scientology? You can't believe them anymore than you can believe what Ayaan Hirsi Ali says about Islam.

 

Without adding them up, I bet YF has about 75 percent of the posts on this thread. That's got to be some sort of record -- and probably worthy of a trophy.

 

I defer to ...

1. HE the Sultan Muhammad Sa'ad Ababakar The Sultan of Sokoto, Head of the Nigerian National Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs 2. Prof. Abdul-Rahman Abbad Prof. of Islamic Studies at the College of Al-Qur’an AlKarim, and Secretary of the Body of Scholars and Preachers, Jerusalem 3. Mr. Omar Abboud Secretary-General of the Institute for Interreligious Dialogue, Buenos Aires, Argentina 4. Prof. Salim Abdul-Jalil Former Undersecretary for da’wah at the Awqaf Ministry, and Professor of Islamic Civilization at Misr University for Science & Technology, Egypt 5. Sheikh Wahid Abdul-Jawad Fatwa Council (Dar al-Ifta’), Egypt 6. Dr. Mustafa Abdul-Kareem Fatwa Council (Dar al-Ifta’), Egypt 7. Prof. Ibrahim Abdul-Rahim Professor of Shari’ah, Dar al-Ulum College, Cairo University, Egypt 8. Prof. Jafar Abdul-Salam Secretary-General of the League of Islamic Universities and Prof. of International Humanitarian Law, Egypt 9. HE Dr. Sheikh Hussain Hasan Abkar Chairman of the Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs and Imam of the Muslims in the Republic of Chad, Chad 10. HE Prince Judge Bola AbdulJabbar Ajibola Islamic Mission for Africa (IMA) and Founder of Crescent University, Nigeria 11. HE Prof. Sheikh Shawqi Allam The Grand Mufti of Egypt, Egypt 12. Prof. Sheikh Abdul Nasser Abu AlBasal Professor at Yarmouk University, Jordan 13. Prof. Mohammad Mahmoud AbuHashem Vice-President of Al-Azhar University and member of the Centre for Islamic Research at Al-Azhar Al-Sharif, Egypt 14. HE Prof. Sheikh Mustafa Cagrici Former Mufti of Istanbul, Turkey 15. Sheikh Mohammad Ahmad AlAkwa’ Senior Sunni Scholar, Yemen 16. Prof. Mohammad Al-Amir Dean of the Faculty of Islamic Studies for Girls, AlMansoura University, Egypt 17. Dr. Majdi Ashour Fatwa Council (Dar al-Ifta’), Egypt 18. Prof. Dr. Abdul-Hai Azab Dean of the Faculty of Shari’ah and Law, Al-Azhar 19 University, Egypt 19. Azhar Aziz President of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), USA 20. Prof. Mustafa Abu Sway The Integral Professorial Chair for the Study of Imam Ghazali’s Work, Jerusalem 21. Prof. Bakr Zaki Awad Dean of the Faculty of Theology, Al-Azhar University, Egypt 22. Nihad Awad National Executive Director of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), USA 23. Dr. Sheikh Osama Mahmoud AlAzhari Islamic Preacher, Egypt 24. Dr. Jamal Badawi Executive Director of the Fiqh Council of North America, USA 25. Dr. Ihsan Bagby Associate Professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Kentucky, and Council Member of the Fiqh Council of North America, USA 26. Naeem Baig President of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), USA 27. Prof. Osman Bakr International Centre for Islamic Studies, Malaysia 28. Sheikh Abu Bakr Baldi Head of the African community in Portugal, Portugal 29. Dr. Hatem Bazian Chairman of American Muslims for Palestine (AMP), USA 30. Dr. Mohammed Bechari Member of the International Islamic Fiqh Academy, and President of the French National Federation of Muslims, France 31. HE Shaykh Abdallah bin Bayyah Leading Muslim Scholar and President of the Forum for Promoting Peace in Muslim Societies, Abu Dhabi 32. HRH Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought, Jordan 33. Al-Habib Muhammad Luthfi bin Ali bin Yahya Islamic Preacher, Indonesia 34. HE Sheikh Dr. Ra’ed Abdullah Budair Member of the Body of Scholars and Preachers, Jerusalem 35. Dr. Mohammad Abdul Sam’i Budair Fatwa Council (Dar al-Ifta’), Egypt 36. Dr. Sameer Budinar Muslim Scholar and Director of the Centre for Humanities and Social Studies, Morocco 37. Dr. Zahid Bukhari Executive Director of the Center for Islam and Public Policy (CIPP), USA 20 38. HE Prof. Mustafa Ceric Former Grand Mufti of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bosnia and Herzegovina 39. HE Mr. Ibrahim Chabbouh Tunisian Scholar, Tunisia 40. Prof. Caner Dagli Professor of Islamic Studies, USA 41. Prof. Jamal Farouq Al-Daqqaq Professor at Al-Azhar University, Egypt 42. Seyyed Abdullah Fadaaq Islamic Preacher and Scholar, Saudi Arabia 43. Sheikh Wahid Al-Fasi Al-Fahri Head of the Federation of Italian Muslims, Italy 44. Prof. Mohammad Nabil Ghanayim Professor of Shari’ah, Dar al-Ulum College, Cairo University, Egypt 45. Sheikh Dr. Ali Gomaa Former Grand Mufti of Egypt, Egypt 46. HE Dr. Ahmad Abdul-Aziz AlHaddad Head of the Fatwa Department, Dubai, UAE 47. Dr. Abdullah Hafizi Secretary-General of the International Association for Idrisid Sherifs and their Cousins, Morocco 48. HE Sheikh Mustafa Hajji The Mufti of Bulgaria, Bulgaria 49. Sheikh Ali Al-Halabi Author and Islamic Preacher, Jordan

They - along with dozens more - were the original signatories to the letter to Baghdadi that called him an apostate. But what do they know, right?

 

Yeah, and Saudi Arabia says the Charlie Hebdo attacks were un-Islamic.

Do you believe that too?

 

Qu'ran 8:12

I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

What part of this passage strikes you as an "internal struggle"? Should I post more?

 

I believe those scholars over the ISIS guy. Why don't you?

 

You should read more on the subject.

 

Qu'ran 9:5

And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the idolators wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

He's very forgiving, as long as you convert. If they don't convert, kill them.

 

Reading the actual religious text isn't good enough, huh?