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Ben Carson: Bungling Surgeon

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, Oct 7, 2015.

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  1. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    Bill Belichick for president.
     
  2. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    Anyone who thinks targeting terrorist's families will suddenly cause terrorists to "see the light" and change their ways is kidding themselves. Targeting those funding such terrorists? I have no problem with that.
     
  3. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    Obama doesn't. ;)
     
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  4. SnarkShark

    SnarkShark Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's OK at all. Killing innocents, regardless of circumstance, is reprehensible. And I'm aware almost everyone does it. The innocents in Japan shouldn't have been killed (and yes, I understand the reasoning behind the action, with the thinking it saved more lives than were lost in the bombings).

    I can live with unknowingly killing innocents. I can't live with knowingly doing so.

    We wouldn't tolerate our enemies doing it to us. We should live up to that standard.
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    We firebombed the crap out of Tokyo too.

    And, please, with the, "ISIS will use this..."

    It's not a secret what's in their recruiting videos. It's not Gitmo. It's not Donald Trump. It's al-Bagdhadi and beheading videos. That's what they use to recruit new members.
     
  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Wait. Are you saying we shouldn't have bombed Japan, or did I miss some nuance?
     
  7. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    The internment was an abhorrent American policy. Washing hands of it because it was done by one party or another belittles just how bad it was. That said, it was a massive stain on FDR's --a Democrat--record.

    As for civilian death in war, it is horrific no matter the justification. People get caught in the cross fire because of the misfortune of being near a battle or strategic spot, are targeted to destroy their will to support the war effort or to demoralize their government or just plain criminal behavior (Vietnam). We have gotten to the point where we try to minimize it as much as we can, but mistakes happen.

    The difference here is the killing of civilians emboldenes the terrorists and we have tried to avoid it. The admission by those three to kill indiscriminately is a bit scary. Rand Paul actually made the best point against this by saying to start down that road--including the killing of families--means we have to back out of support for the Geneva Convention.
     
  8. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    Not advocating knowingly killing civilians, but if we have legit intel and it might be in a neighborhood but can take out a key ISIS figure? It is what it is.
     
  9. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the Japanese Internment was unconstitutional and a FRAUD!!

    Look up Korematsu v. US; in 1988 it was found by the US District Court of the Northern District that the evidence presented to the US Supreme Court to justify the Internment was a knowing fraud on the Supreme Court by the Solicitor General. There was never any evidence that one US citizen of Japanese descent aided or abetted the Japanese Army.

    Everyone who even cites the Internment as justification for anything should be exposed as unacceptably ignorant.
     
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  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    FDR's Solicitor General lied to the Supreme Court! I don't believe it.
     
  11. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    The Trump-Cruz dynamic is awkward. I know Cruz doesn't want to alienate Trump voters, but it's still odd.
     
  12. SnarkShark

    SnarkShark Well-Known Member

    Look, I understand the rational disconnect. My opinion is based entirely in emotion.

    I understand the reasoning, just like the classic train example about sacrificing one person by pushing him on the tracks to derail a runaway train to save hundreds.

    I'm of the mindset that you should not kill the one, but instead find another way to save the people on the train, even though that is outside the hypothetical.

    If an enemy were to kill our civilians in the manner in which we killed people in Japan, we would view it as an atrocity. Because we were on the winning side, we get to say it was worth it.
     
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