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Ben Carson: Bungling Surgeon

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, Oct 7, 2015.

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  1. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    He said the last seven years.
     
  2. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Don't forget much of the period 1993-2001 was also characterized by the same nitwit derangement-syndrome contrarian philosophy we've seen since 2009, only at about 65% max throttle as opposed to 99.85% for the current administration,
     
  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    What year was Romney the nominee?

    This year is the loan departure in a 28-year run.

    Normally, the GOP gets mocked by the left for nominating the guy who was "next". Another old, white dude, who can raise the most money.

    So, this one time, we don't go and just nominate Jeb! and people act like the party has lost its collective mind.
     
  4. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Romney got the nomination by disavowing everything he did as governor and demonizing poor people. He went to the loons a lot farther than they came to him.
     
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  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    We nominated a moderate, former governor of Massachusetts, who created the forerunner to Obamacare, and who was a member of a religious minority, viewed as odd by many members (and non-members) of the party.

    We didn't pick an evangelical. We didn't pick the most conservative candidate. We didn't pick a southerner.

    He was the establishment pick. The guy who was next in line.

    And, he would have made a fine President.
     
  6. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    I have no idea what you are arguing, but I will say the number of conservatives who were turned off by this perfect candidate only bolsters Alma's point.
     
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    I also think it's some supposed knock against Cruz that Mitch McConnell and John McCain aren't big fans of his.

    If they did like him, that would also be a knock against him.

    Let's also not forget that Barack Obama didn't win any Senate popularity contests. The day he was sworn in as President, he could count one friend in the Senate -- Tom Coburn.

    And, at least with Cruz, it's because he picks fights with leadership that makes him unpopular.

    Obama made no waves, was seen from day one as Presidential hope (if not in 2008), and still made few friends.

    If Ted Cruz, with his resume, and speaking skills, was a populist Democrat, he would be on his way to the Dem nomination as we speak. It would be a repeat of 2008, with the young, smart, minority candidate leaving Hillary in the dust.

    As it is, the Dems are trying to groom one of the Castro brother for a future run. They can't hold a candle to Cruz, but the Dems bench has been obliterated, and they fear they can't win without the first black President, the first woman President, or the first Hispanic President.
     
  8. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    What are you arguing? This is the first time that the establishment isn't picking the nominee since forever. I'm not sure why that's such a cause for concerns -- especially when those most concerned are folks like Alma, who isn't going to vote GOP no matter what.
     
  9. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    Perhaps that's true. I had no problems with Romney when he was governor of Massachusetts.
     
  10. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    "The last 7 years."

    It was a pretty simple point. It is reflective of the GOP mindset as of the last 7 years. If you want to believe Romney wasn't hindered by his not-conservative-enough rep, you're going to have to be out on a limb on that one.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    The GOP is a conservative party. It's electoral success, combined with it's lack of legislative success has people frustrated. I don't think that's surprising.

    But, the base isn't any more conservative than it's been. The establishment isn't any more conservative that it's ever been.
     
  12. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

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