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Ben Carson: Bungling Surgeon

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, Oct 7, 2015.

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  1. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    I don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees with the idea that Obama got elected based on charisma and little else. But you'd have to ask someone who voted for him.

    There's one MAJOR difference between him and Trump, though: Obama's campaign caught fire because it ostensibly appealed to the best side of voters, i.e. "hope," while Trump is going out of his way to appeal only to the worst side of voters, i.e. "keep 'em out," "kill their families," "women are pigs," "anyone who disagrees with me is a doodyhead," and "build a wall."

    Obama, at the very least, acted like a grown-up. And, he tried to appeal to everyone. Trump is not doing that. His messages are all very narrowly focused - it's just resonated with a much larger than expected bloc of voters, exposing an underbelly America has been trying to hide for a long time.

    Correction: I think ALL of Trump's supporters are stupid and hateful people. Not just the least informed among them.
     
  2. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    One more thing about Trump...

    Let's pretend he's elected President for a minute...

    He would be less constrained by the two party system, because he would use the bully pulpit of the office like no other President before him.

    In a campaign to "build the wall" or tighten immigration, or whatever, he would take his message directly to the people, and he would do it relentlessly.

    Look, he's already got people like Chuck Schumer running scared on the issue:

    Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., demanded Sunday that the U.S. immediately initiate a program that would check the social media sites of those admitted on visas."

    "Had they checked out Tashfeen Malik," the senator said, "maybe those people in San Bernardino would be alive."


    US: ‘Things Went Wrong’ in Shooting Suspect’s Background Check

    In the past, something like giving drivers licenses to illegals was a huge issue, and it nearly killed Hillary Clinton. But, over time, it's become accepted, as Republicans stopped making an issue of it.

    Trump would make an issue of it, and it would be a winning issue for him.

    He would make something like sanctuary cities an issue.

    Right now, he's killing his GOP opponents with his populist appeal. As President, he would do the same to Congressional opposition from Dems. They would be terrified.
     
  3. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    He's "Donald the Baron" to Joe's Plumber.

    He talks like a voter would -- reactionary, changing with the day's news, vaguely impugned. He most resembles an angry rapper, if we're honest. I think he has about as many good ideas for a political nation as Marshall Mathers or Kanye West.

    Truth is, he's weak. He really doesn't stand for much of anything. His conviction is what? To react to whatever's happening and stay popular at the cost of reason and solvency. Build a wall? OK, build a wall. Have fun building the wall for however many years. Ghettoize Central America and just see what humanitarian crisis awaits there. I mean, in the name of "democracy" we basically turned over most of Central America to oligarchies and drug lords, so when we build a wall to cut off the refugee flow, we'll be right back to the Communists gaining popularity because they can at least protect people.
     
  4. Brian

    Brian Well-Known Member

    I voted for Obama because I wanted health care reform, to stop Sarah Palin from being one heart attack from the presidency and to staunch a neo-conservative march through the Middle East. Dude delivered what I wanted.
     
  5. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    The measured view of the future, via Breitbart.

    Pat Caddell: Country Closer to Revolution Than Ever - Breitbart

    Just to give you a preview of tony's posts over the next week or two ...

    Caddell told Breitbart News Daily host Stephen K. Bannon that the current $1.1 trillion 2,000-plus page omnibus bill is “the greatest disaster anyone ever saw because of the deals being cut.”

    ... “If Donald Trump wants to seal his victory, all he has to do is stand up and attack McConnell and Ryan and what they’ve just done.”
     
  6. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    He also killed bin Laden and ended terrorism.
     
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  7. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    McConnell is terrible. Jury is out on Ryan.
     
  8. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Pat Caddell? Jimmy Carter's pollster?

    It might not be, "the greatest disaster anyone ever saw," but we shouldn't be funding our government with these huge omnibus bills, that are loaded up with everything, and must pass at the last minute, with little scrutiny, public debate, or even time for the public or the lawmakers voting on it to read the bill.

    It is symbolic of everything that is wrong with the system.

    And, there are lots of things in there that are easy to mock.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see any candidate running as a "DC outsider" to make an issue of it.
     
  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    But McConnell doesn't like Cruz!! So, Cruz must be really unlikeable.
     
  10. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Yeah, how do we Baronize that one anyway? Is it "Cruz is so bad, McConnell doesn't even like him!" Or is it "McConnell thinks he's bad, so he's OK by me!"

    We've seen variants of both.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    First term Senators are supposed to keep their head down, and their mouths shut.

    The Senate is an institution built on seniority.

    Not following the unwritten rules in the Senate is more objectionable than not following the unwritten rules in baseball.
     
  12. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    So, what's worse? A $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill, or building a wall that'll cost 5 times that to build, and probably a trillion every decade after that to maintain?
     
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