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SB Nation pulls Daniel Holtzclaw longform piece

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Steak Snabler, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    Songbird, if he doesn't write about finish carpentry then I will. There's a good book there somewhere.
     
  2. Doc Holliday

    Doc Holliday Well-Known Member

    I can only speak about what I've seen and done myself, none of which include your accusations. The decline of journalism the last 10 years is very sad to witness. Heartbreaking in a way.

    I'm sure there have been plenty of writers who did not convey entire stories or got drunk with the teams they covered back in the 1920s or whatever time it is you are trying to pigeonhole me into. However, that's not how I've conducted my business and that's not how any of the people I've worked alongside conducted their business.

    Since the "old days" were just 10 years ago, I'm not sure what you're referring to as things being so much better now. Journalism has changed a lot in the last decade --- not just how information is delivered but the process of how information is gathered, what exactly is being delivered along with the education and experience level of the journalist delivering it. Those things are gone, sadly replaced by less capable but far cheaper means.

    What was once an admirable and respectable profession is shit now.
     
  3. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    It starts with a hammer.
     
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  4. Elliotte Friedman

    Elliotte Friedman Moderator Staff Member

    Ah I see. I get your point. Still think it's on Arnold most of all, but I understand where you are coming from on the "stand behind" issue.

    The writer, in our case, thought there was no need to apologize. But, also didn't want to deal with it. A little from column A and a little from column B.
     
  5. studthug12

    studthug12 Active Member

    Assertion vs. Verification. Now, many journalists don't verify anything before running with a version of their story. We see it all the time. Today with Fowler signing with Cubs. One guy says he's signing with O's. Another guy: Source says Fowler to O's. Then Rosenthal tweets out asking questions like what happened? You tell us jackwagon. KR reported he's going and then asks questions about how it fell apart and why he's going to Cubs. Well, do some reporting. Call Fowler, the agent, the teams like you should have done before saying he's going to the O's. Once someone says something on Twitter people follow and don't even suspect they could be wrong. KR is like: No thanks, I'll retweet when someone finds out what happened.
     
  6. Doc Holliday

    Doc Holliday Well-Known Member

    This is exactly what I'm talking about. The business is shit now.
     
  7. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Do you think that newspapers in the "old days" that you like to dismiss ran stories in print without an editor as writers do on a regular basis online to get it up there first?

    And on a tangent note, do you think the news is edited and fact-checked better today?
     
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  8. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    all true, except the takes in the good ole days were not nearly as HOT!
     
  9. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

  10. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    Beaten to the punch by two minutes. That was an absolute skewering of Stout.
     
  11. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    Interesting that Spencer Hall, who is usually extremely prolific on Twitter, hasn't tweeted since the story was pulled.
     
  12. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    SKEWERING!!!!!!!
     
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