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SB Nation pulls Daniel Holtzclaw longform piece

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Steak Snabler, Feb 17, 2016.

  1. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    If you're a terrible manager, sure.
     
  2. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    It is awfully amusing the anti-longform piece clocked in at 3,200 words.
     
  3. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

  4. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    "Even in this age of fetishized sprawling longform, a 10,000-word piece is likelier to have been diligently edited than a 5,000-word one. Five thousand words is the piece you didn’t like or care about enough to cut down to 3,800."

    Whatever, Scocca, ya insufferable twit. In a piece criticizing the idea of hitting word benchmarks, he's making a blanket statement about what you can expect at certain benchmarks.
     
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  5. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

  6. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    From the comments section....

    "If you want your audience to print out your epic article and read it piece while sitting on a toilet, a bar stool, or in bed during a sleepless night then 4,000-7,000 words is fine. Anything more and the author is basically saying, “Shut up, I’m trying to win fucking awards!”
     
  7. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    I've been thinking about this a bunch tonight. It all seems very off to me. About the lightest thing I can say is, the distribution of blame seems unevenly weighted.

    As for this length nonsense, Jesus Christ. Some 400-w0rd stories suck, some are fine, and some are great. Some 4,000-word stories suck, some are fine, and some are great. Some 12,000-word stories suck, some are fine, and some are great. Same with 90-minute movies and 3-hour movies. Same with two-minute punk-rock songs and nine-minute anthems. Length is too often confused with substance, and many stories could be shorter. But I still think of John Sack's "M" in my sleep, and it was 33,000 words.
     
  8. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    I'm still trying to figure out where I can travel for TWO DAYS and be totally unreachable. Sounds kind of glorious.
    TO THE MOON ALICE!!
     
  9. Doc Holliday

    Doc Holliday Well-Known Member

    Maybe I'm missing something, but part of this breakdown at SBNation looks, sounds and smells like there was some gender and racial discrimination at play here.

    Bergeron is a black female while Floyd and Stout are white males. In Bergeron's last-ditch attempt to have the story killed, Floyd and Stout refused to listen to her during a conference call, got in a heated argument and hung up on her. It is plausible they believed themselves less emotionally attached to the story's subject matter and her to be over-reacting, so they ignored her objections and published the story.
     
  10. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    Agreed. I just watched the recent episode of the new OJ series, and a scene showed a vaguely similar disconnect. Shapiro to Cochran: "You know how these people think ..."
     
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  11. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    From the Deadspin article, the most articulate statement I've seen about longform for longform's sake.

     
  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Length isn't the problem. Writerly length can be. The New Yorker runs long form pieces every week. They simply call them articles. No self-aggrandizement necessary.
     
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