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Fox News has way too much influence in this society.

 

You're performing a sleight of hand here where you convert life-or-death into "well-being." The vague "well-being" of the fetus is not merely at stake. The binary decision of whether it is permitted to continue to develop, or purposely destroyed, is. If you are pro life, why isn't infanticide also a lesser, even justifiable, crime? Why are people appalled when infants are murdered? My God, they cause these women postpartum depression.

 

A fetus can also eventually be given up for adoption or put into foster care.

 

Much easier to be pro-abortion. Rid yourself of some annoying cells and get on with your day.

 

And if you're anti-abortion , you can think women are all just a bunch of manipulative little sluts.

 

I mean, you realize that once the fetus is born and becomes an infant, it's no longer a binary decision, right? Things change, dude.

 

Once it's born, the heart starts beating.

 

"Abortion is a subject that will never, ever go away in this country, at least not while there are some who are so ideologically-minded that they view any and all abortion as outright murder, punishable in a court of law. These people are about as apathetic and sociopathic as you can get because they are the folks that would have absolutely zero problem incarcerating a rape victim for aborting her rapists’ baby. It takes a disgusting and inhumane level of depravity to want to re-victimize a woman (or just as likely little girl) who was raped and impregnated — these are the people who deny the importance of the medical viability of the fetus because they know it makes the best case for why the mother’s life is of primary importance.

If they’re unwilling to meet you half-way on the importance of keeping the mother alive at all costs, and if they’re unwilling to at least have sympathy for a rape victim, they’re not worth discussing anything with because those are the people who live in a black and white world devoid of any nuance, which happens to be what every tough issue is made completely from — nuance. Sure, abortion’s a tough topic no matter what, but if you can’t go into it with at least a modicum of human compassion for someone other than the still-developing human fetus, you aren’t worth anyone’s time or energy."

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You're right. And that's a decision the victim has to weigh. Whether she wants to carry this living reminder of the violent assault she endured for 40 weeks and deliver it through an agonizing process (which could directly result in her own death) and then give it up for adoption is a viable alternative to aborting the fetus. And some women do choose that route (probably a statistically insignificant number of them).

But it's not incompatible to believe that a woman who is forced into this situation should have some say over whether she wants to continue the process and potentially risk her own life to deliver her attacker's child.

 

I think that the health of the mother exception is defensible, by the way. I'm not sure why it's sneaking into your argument.

 

@Dick Whitman, I think you're right when you argue that it's morally consistent to not accept a rape/incest exception. I think you're dead wrong when you say that a rape/incest exception is incompatible with a pro-life stance. Shades of gray, man.

 

It belongs in the argument because a woman who has just found out she is pregnant because of rape/incest may not be in any immediate physical danger, but pregnancy is arduous and unpredictable, so it's perfectly logical and acceptable that she'd consider the risks she'd be taking in carrying the child to term.