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All-purpose, running Geek thread (formerly Battlestar Galactica thread)
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bigpern23
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Spider-Man: Homecoming (ugh) may feature Michael Keaton as the yet-to-be-named villain.
'Spider-Man: Homecoming' eyes Michael Keaton for villain role
Let the guessing begin: Which Spidey villain should he play? I suspect they'll avoid villains who have already been used, so no Goblin, Sandman, Venom, Doc Ock, Lizard, Rhino or Electro. He wouldn't fit roles like Kraven, Shocker or Silvermane. So seems like you'd be looking at someone like Mysterio, Morbius, Hobgoblin or Carnage.
Carnage would be my guess. He's similar to the ever-popular Venom, who was wasted in Spider-Man 3; Cletus is a total psycho, which Keaton can knock out of the park; and it gives the writers the option of bringing Venom into the fold as a good guy to battle Carnage. Also, IIRC, Carnage appeared in some Avengers books in the early 2000s, so there's a natural tie-in with the established franchise.
'Spider-Man: Homecoming' eyes Michael Keaton for villain role
Let the guessing begin: Which Spidey villain should he play? I suspect they'll avoid villains who have already been used, so no Goblin, Sandman, Venom, Doc Ock, Lizard, Rhino or Electro. He wouldn't fit roles like Kraven, Shocker or Silvermane. So seems like you'd be looking at someone like Mysterio, Morbius, Hobgoblin or Carnage.
Carnage would be my guess. He's similar to the ever-popular Venom, who was wasted in Spider-Man 3; Cletus is a total psycho, which Keaton can knock out of the park; and it gives the writers the option of bringing Venom into the fold as a good guy to battle Carnage. Also, IIRC, Carnage appeared in some Avengers books in the early 2000s, so there's a natural tie-in with the established franchise.
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Keaton turns 65 in September. I think he's a bit old for Morbius or Carnage. Mysterio or Hobgoblin could work. So could Vulture.
bigpern23
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Christ, I didn't realize he's that old. Carnage will be all CGI, so he wouldn't have to pull off the physicality of the role. I suppose Cletus was probably portrayed in, what, his late 20s, early 30s? You may be right there, but I still think it could work.
Vulture seems a little low on the supervillain totem pole, no? I guess he's a Sinister Six-er, but I never much cared for the character. He never seemed to be on the same level as someone like Doc Ock, to me.
Hobgoblin is one of my favorites, so I'd be happy to see them go that route.
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I prefer Vulture as a bit player. I was just thinking of villains that work with Keaton's age. And yes, I believe Cletus was played as late 20s or early 30s, a psychopath in his physical prime.
Maybe they don't avoid characters we've seen. Maybe Keaton plays Norman Osborne. It's not like they have done the character justice in the movie versions to date. They got pieces of the character right, but not the entire being.
Also, remember that Green Goblin eventually became a threat to the Avengers as well, particularly during Dark Reign, so it might make some sense to start him off in a Spidey solo movie and eventually have him take on a larger role as the Avengers and the world recover and change due to the Infinity War.
Maybe they don't avoid characters we've seen. Maybe Keaton plays Norman Osborne. It's not like they have done the character justice in the movie versions to date. They got pieces of the character right, but not the entire being.
Also, remember that Green Goblin eventually became a threat to the Avengers as well, particularly during Dark Reign, so it might make some sense to start him off in a Spidey solo movie and eventually have him take on a larger role as the Avengers and the world recover and change due to the Infinity War.
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One problem with the Spidey reboot after reboot after reboot is that the series' main antagonists -- Norman Osborn/ GG, Doc Ock and J. Jonah -- have already been done really well in the Raimi series.
Chris Cooper as Norman in the Garfield reboot mainly just seemed like the Willem Dafoe version lying in a hospital bed.
Kind of a polar opposite to the movie history of Superman, where the villains have either been clowns or buffoon versions of Lex Luthor. It was kind of hard to imagine a more ridiculous version of Luthor than Hackman's cheesy cocktail-lounge comedian, but BvS pulled it off with Eisenberg riffing off Jim Carrey's Riddler.
Chris Cooper as Norman in the Garfield reboot mainly just seemed like the Willem Dafoe version lying in a hospital bed.
Kind of a polar opposite to the movie history of Superman, where the villains have either been clowns or buffoon versions of Lex Luthor. It was kind of hard to imagine a more ridiculous version of Luthor than Hackman's cheesy cocktail-lounge comedian, but BvS pulled it off with Eisenberg riffing off Jim Carrey's Riddler.
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