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The Undefeated debuts

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Songbird, May 17, 2016.

  1. cjericho

    cjericho Well-Known Member

    Unless I'm not remembering correctly, when Whitlock was in charge wasn't this amazing collection of talent a lot smaller?
     
  2. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    How long are we going to perpetuate this shit?

    But let’s call it like it is: Besides Griffin’s big performances, a big part of his appeal was that white people considered him to be “safe.” Raised in a military household by two now-retired Army sergeants, Griffin was reserved. On the field, he wasn’t prone to look-at-me celebrations. Off it, he didn’t seem standoffish. Basically, he wasn’t Cam Newton.

    The Puzzling Plummet of RGIII

    White people did what?

    Does Jason really think the general public looks at blacks through the lens of "safe" (and unsafe) in 2016? His polar opposite example of Cam Newton is silly too. I doubt many non-blacks are judging Cam Newton's safe (or unsafe) blackness based on celebrations and standoffishness if they're even equating celebrations and standoffishness with being black. Is Cam an unsafe black when he's standoffish but a pretty safe black when he's giving balls he rushed into the end zone with to little white boys and girls?

    Was Ryan Leaf an unsafe white because he flew off the handle time and again?

    The whole "safe black" thing is pretty tired.
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2016
  3. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Something we've talked about here re: cleaning up quotes ...

    Reasonable people can make allowances for those who use English as a second language. Instead of teasing them for their shortcomings, we can applaud them for successfully conveying their thoughts.

    The Smith-Gomez flap brought up a debate about the old journalistic tradition of “cleaning up” quotes — that is, making slight fixes to align grammar and pronunciation with standard English.

    This is a tradition that needs to go.

    For one, it’s patronizing, with the implication that anything that deviates from the norm is inherently inferior and must be corrected. Black English, for example, isn’t a referendum on intelligence — it’s a reflection of centuries of segregation, just as American English is a linguistic representation of our country’s split from Britain. Passing judgment based on speech can often say more about the listener than the speaker. (Do we consider Yoda any less wise because of his mixed-up syntax?)

    And in an age where postgame news conferences are televised and video of most locker room interviews can be found online, altering quotes can damage credibility when the real versions are so readily available for comparison.

    Sometimes there is no fix to be found, no way to improve on the wonderfully wobbly phrases such as Barbosa’s proclamation last year that “We gonna be championship!”

    ‘We gonna be championship!’: A new approach to ‘fixing’ quotes

     
  4. HappyCurmudgeon

    HappyCurmudgeon Well-Known Member

    Yeah..shockingly people didn't want to work for him.
     
  5. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    Let me tell ya about white people ...
     
  6. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    It's true! It's true! We're so lame!

     
  7. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    The subhead of the RGIII article says the Browns are the blackest organization in the NFL. Then it's barely touched on in the article. Just a paragraph about the coach, GM, and offensive/defensive coordinators being black.

    Would like to see a story on what the subhead implies.
     
  8. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Is there another team whose top four football personnel are black? Seems pretty clear and not in need of a great deal of explanation.
     
  9. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    Took a while to get to the honky graf. At that point, it was just a rehash of stuff that happened.
     
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  10. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Very upset that a search for "cornball brother" yielded nothing.
     
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  11. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Jason Reid has written that story around a dozen times before this one. He just added a few things to make it Undefeated-y and poof! New story!
     
  12. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    That makes them the blackest?

    Not the most black players? A black QB? A black owner (ha ha!)?
     
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