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Second Amendment rights exercised in Orlando

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Jun 11, 2016.

  1. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    You're right, YF. You're a transphobic racist. But probably not a terrorist.
     
  2. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    They got off a one in a million shot, thanks greatly to our lax security, the help of saudi arabian officials in this country who provided them with financing, logistical support and lodging (which former U.S. government officials say is detailed in that 28 pages excised from the 9/11 report), and just plain luck. The whole thing may have involved greater planning, but at base we're still talking about people who are suicidal.

    "[T]hree years before 9/11, Eric Harris wrote that he and Klebold would like to ‘hijack a hell of a lot of bombs and crash a plane into NYC with us inside.’ It is no mere coincidence that Harris envisioned almost the exact same attack that Al Qaeda’s 19 hi-jackers eventually carried out. They were attracted to the similar attack methods because at some deeper level, they had far more in common than we’ve ever realized before.” -- The Myth of Martyrdom: What Really Drives Suicide Bombers, Rampage Shooters, and Other Self-Destructive Killers by Adam Lankford, an assistant professor of criminal justice at The University of Alabama and a former adviser to the US State Department’s Anti-Terrorism Assistance program.
     
  3. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    "Why are some mass shooters more likely to kill themselves? If we go beyond the armchair psychology and diagnostic labels in the coverage of this horrific tragedy, the data from past rampage shootings (see also this paper and this related paper) may partially reveal some motivations.

    It’s about self-loathing and perceived injustice. And location matters."

    Why Spree Killers Kill Themselves
     
  4. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    I'd suggest refreshing your memory on Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, for starters.
     
  5. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Saw a story that said Mateen had five Facebook accounts. That would drive anyone to self loathing.
     
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  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Hey, follow the religion of your choice.

    But, we wouldn't let followers of the Taliban move here.

    We wouldn't let followers of Hitler move here during WWII.

    We wouldn't let followers of the Japanese Emperor move here during WWII.

    Islam is diametrically opposed to Western culture. It's incompatible with democracy.

    For a look to our future, we only need to look to Paris, London, and Brussels.

    Islam is at war with us. If we wouldn't allow a Nazi to move here, why would we allow Muslims to move here? Calling it a religion isn't enough. It's more than that. It's as if only Hitler had declared himself a god, then we would not have been able to discriminate against Nazis.
     
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    How's it a million to one shot, if they commandeered all four planes they targeted?
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I'm not particularly militantly against the Muslim ban. I get it. It's political discrimination, not religious discrimination. If religion gets caught in the cross-fire, so be it.
     
  9. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    We also wouldn't let Jews move here during WW II. Too risky.
     
  10. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    So if Islam is incompatible with democracy, what do we do with the Muslims here?
     
  11. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Sorry, tiger, but if this were true, we would lose pretty decisively and pretty quickly.
     
  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Here's the thing...

    Lots of Muslims are cafeteria Muslims. They take a little of this, but not that.

    Now, that doesn't make them "moderate" as opposed to "radical". It makes them less religious than those who are devout to Islam, as described in the Koran, as lived by Muhammad.

    They're not "moderate". They're just not good, religious Muslims. Islam is more cultural than religious for them. (Which does often include a healthy does of anti-Semitism, misogyny and homophobia.)

    But, as we've seen, Muslims become more radical, as they become more religious. That's the path to "radicalization". Becoming more religious, and more devout leads to radicalization, because at its core, Islam is radical.
     
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