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Second Amendment rights exercised in Orlando

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Jun 11, 2016.

  1. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

  2. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    I'd have to look into his specific beliefs a little more. I'm not sure how he squares his Muslim beliefs with what's in the Koran.

    I think a lot of Muslims -- and I'm not talking about Fatah -- are culturally Muslim, and are "cafeteria" Muslims. They basically ignore the parts they don't like. And, that's fine with me. The problem with this is that -- and we've seen it time and again -- when Muslims become more religious, they become more radical.

    The bad/violent parts of the Koran are still there for all to read. When someone truly commits to Islam, they take in the call to Jihad as a part of it.
     
  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Well, yeah, that's part of it.

    The other part is to increase the screening of folks who want to immigrate/visit/study here. We need to check their social media, and we need to interview them.

    Should we let someone into the country, who wears a burqa, just so they can marry a Muslim-American they met online?

    I wouldn't allow that. If the husband's sole criteria for a wife is that she wear a burqa, that's a pretty clear sign to me that he isn't very assimilated.

    Ideally, we'd actually ban the burqa.

    I'd also severely restrict student visas from places like Saudi Arabia unless and until they helped us more to combat terror, and stopped promoting Wahhabism. They royal family and the other richest families in the Kingdom all want their kids (sons) educated here. We have the means to exert leverage on them.
     
  4. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Via Constitutional amendment?
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    If necessary. Sure.
     
  6. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    The problem with defeating the Muslim menace is that we either have to eliminate all the Muslims or convince the bad Muslims to join is in wiping out or converting the theologically pure Muslims who want to kill every infidel they see.
     
  7. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Because that's the only way you're going to ban a burqa. It's no different than the lefty libs on the board nattering on about well-regulated militias in 2016.
     
  8. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Part of this is that we all know and like Muslim neighbors, classmates, etc. Of course we do. I do too. The vast majority of them are good people.

    But, I think we also need to understand that a lot has changed in the last 30 years, and especially in the last 15 years.

    In the past, a lot of the Muslims coming to America were fleeing religious theocracies. They came here , and embraced our freedoms.

    If you fled the Taliban, or the Iranian revolution to get away from religious tyrants, you were unlikely to hate America.

    Increasingly, we've seen people fleeing secular despots, in places like Syria and Jordan, or folks who came from religious societies, like Saudi Arabia, either to study, or for economic reasons, but not to flee religious zealots.

    They're not as likely to embrace the full range of America's freedoms and values.

    And, as the Muslim communities have grown in America, they haven't needed to assimilate as much as past generations did. They live and work in their communities. They import their wives, and they worship at Mosques funded by Saudi Arabia, which are not "moderate".

    And, of course, we've been dropping bombs on Muslim nations for 15 straight years.

    Radical Islam is growing word wide, and we have more Muslims here than ever.
     
  9. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Fuck that ...
     
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    The Japanese used to consider their Emperor a God. They don't anymore.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Based solely on the idea that we don't ban the kinds of clothes people wear, or is there some defense of the burqa I should hear?
     
  12. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    So I read this and thought ... hmm. How can I import a wife?
     
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