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Trump cheats at golf - the ONE and ONLY politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by SnarkShark, Jan 22, 2016.

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  1. BadgerBeer

    BadgerBeer Well-Known Member


    They will adjust things in a week so they look good on the final tally.
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I think it'll be 8-9, with GOTV superiority giving her those final few points above her polling.
     
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  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I think he's going to win, too.
     
  4. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    All of these outfits have excellent reputations. The numbers are the numbers they get, that's all. Remember, average final polling error for all elections is about 3.5-4 points. This does include primaries, which are harder to poll 'cause they're not usually binary choices. Then again, neither is this election.
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    A couple of things...

    We're seeing how much of a divide their really is on the left, and how even liberals like Neera Tanden, who gets upset when Hillary tries to portray herself as a moderate, also hate those on the far left, like Bernie's supporters.

    The Doug Band/Chelsea Clinton backstory is also interesting, and mostly unreported. I've even heard right wingers try to give her credit for "exposing" Band.

    That's not what it's about at all.

    Band, who went from Bill's body person, to the his most trusted advisor, surrogate son, and the driving force behind the Clinton Global Initiative.

    Band used the platform, and access to Bill to launch Teneo, his "global consulting firm". Band made a ton of money, as did Bill. But, there were two problems. It competed with the Clinton Foundation as a means to purchase access to Bill (and by extension Hillary). You could now donate to the Foundation, or out Teneo on retainer.

    But, more importantly, the surrogate son was getting rich selling access to Bill, while the actual daughter was getting nothing.

    Chelsea wanted in on the action. She wanted an ownership share in Teneo, and Band refused.

    War between the two ensued. This is when Chelsea became more involved in the Foundation, hiring her friend to run it, pushing out Band, and accusing him of malfeasance.

    As usual with the Clintons, it's all about money, influence, and power.
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    YF retreating to his den to relax a little after a grueling day of repairing coffee machines.

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  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    This is all public knowledge, and has been well reported by the NYTimes and others.

    My recap was from memory, but I think you'll see these articles back me up:

    And concern was rising inside and outside the organization about Douglas J. Band, a onetime personal assistant to Mr. Clinton who had started a lucrative corporate consulting firm — which Mr. Clinton joined as a paid adviser — while overseeing the Clinton Global Initiative, the foundation’s glitzy annual gathering of chief executives, heads of state, and celebrities.

    The review set off more than a year of internal debate, and spurred an evolution in the organization that included Mr. Clinton’s daughter, Chelsea, taking on a dominant new role as the family grappled with the question of whether the foundation — and its globe-spanning efforts to combat AIDS, obesity and poverty — would survive its founder.
    ...
    Mr. Band, who arrived at the White House in 1995 and worked his way up to become Mr. Clinton’s closest personal aide, standing behind the president on golf courses and the global stage, helped build the foundation’s fund-raising structure. He conceived of and for many years helped run the Clinton Global Initiative, the annual conference that draws hundreds of business leaders and heads of state to New York City where attendees are pushed to make specific philanthropic commitments.

    Today, big-name companies vie to buy sponsorships at prices of $250,000 and up, money that has helped subsidize the foundation’s annual operating costs. Last year, the foundation and two subsidiaries had revenues of more than $214 million.
    ...
    As the foundation grew, so did the outside business ventures pursued by Mr. Clinton and several of his aides.

    None have drawn more scrutiny in Clinton circles than Teneo, a firm co-founded in 2009 by Mr. Band, described by some as a kind of surrogate son to Mr. Clinton. Aspiring to merge corporate consulting, public relations and merchant banking in a single business, Mr. Band poached executives from Wall Street, recruited other Clinton aides to join as employees or advisers and set up shop in a Midtown office formerly belonging to one of the country’s top hedge funds.
    ...
    By 2011, the firm had added a third partner, Declan Kelly, a former State Department envoy for Mrs. Clinton. And Mr. Clinton had signed up as a paid adviser to the firm.

    Teneo worked on retainer, charging monthly fees as high as $250,000, according to current and former clients. The firm recruited clients who were also Clinton Foundation donors, while Mr. Band and Mr. Kelly encouraged others to become new foundation donors. Its marketing materials highlighted Mr. Band’s relationship with Mr. Clinton and the Clinton Global Initiative, where Mr. Band sat on the board of directors through 2011 and remains an adviser. Some Clinton aides and foundation employees began to wonder where the foundation ended and Teneo began.
    ...
    While much attention has focused on Mrs. Clinton’s emerging role within the foundation, advisers to the family say her daughter’s growing involvement could prove more critical in the years ahead. After years of pursuing other career paths, including working at McKinsey & Company and a hedge fund, Ms. Clinton, 33, has begun to assert herself as a force within the foundation. Her perspective is shaped far more than her parents’ by her time in the world of business, and she is poised to play a significant role in shaping the foundation’s future, particularly if Mrs. Clinton chooses to run for president.

    She formally joined the foundation’s board in 2011, marking her growing role there — and the start of intensifying tensions between her and Mr. Band. Several people close to the Clintons said that she became increasingly concerned with the negative impact Mr. Band’s outside business might have on her father’s work and that she cited concerns raised during the internal review about potential conflicts of interest involving Teneo.

    It was Ms. Clinton who suggested that the newly installed chief executive, Eric Braverman, be considered for the job during a nearly two-year search. A friend and a former colleague from McKinsey, Mr. Braverman, 38, had helped the Clintons with philanthropic projects in Haiti after the earthquake there. And his hiring coincided with Ms. Clinton’s appointment as the vice chairwoman of the foundation board, where she will bear significant responsibility for steering her family’s philanthropy, both in the causes it tackles and in the potential political and financial conflicts it must avoid.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/u...ndation-over-finances-and-ambitions.html?_r=0


    Meanwhile, Hillary’s adoption of the foundation as a temporary perch this year has left even less space for Band. “Hillary and Chelsea’s view was, Look, if you’re going to work for the foundation you should work for the foundation and nothing else,” says the Clinton friend. “But for Doug, it was hard, because he’s been involved in it from the beginning. It was, Yeah, come on man, I can do both.” He added, “I don’t think [Chelsea] was wrong. In the past, no one would care what he was doing, dealing with all those people. Today, the last thing anyone wants is noise.”

    Scandal at Clinton Inc.


    Just weeks before Hillary Clinton kicked off her campaign for president on Roosevelt Island, a Clinton family loyalist quietly parted ways with the powerful clan.

    Doug Band, a man once so close to President Bill Clinton that he was considered a surrogate son, left the Clinton Foundation, where he had various board appointments, The Post has learned.

    Band declined to comment, except to confirm he resigned his position last month. The departure marks the end of a complicated relationship between Band’s controversial consultant corporation, Teneo, and the Clintons.
    ...
    Chelsea Clinton and her husband, Marc Mezvinsky, also wanted to muscle in on the action and asked for an equity stake in the company, Halper reported. But Band refused, seeing too much of a potential conflict in doing business with the daughter of the secretary of state. There may have been some “sibling” rivalry between Band and Chelsea Clinton.


    Clinton confidant cuts ties with the formidable family | New York Post
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I have no doubt it is all 100 percent accurate. I just am continually astounded at your recall regarding every arcane detail of ClintonWorld.
     
  9. JohnHammond

    JohnHammond Well-Known Member

    Does ClintonWorld have a Whitewater cruise ride and a Vince Foster dark ride?
     
  10. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    I enjoyed this post immensely. It reads like a guy up for 27 straight hours.
     
  11. Bud_Bundy

    Bud_Bundy Well-Known Member

    We just got our fourth recorded call in two days from Ivanka Trump inviting us to daddy's rally in Virginia Beach on Saturday. It's at Regent University with Pat Robertson as host. Yeah, right.
     
  12. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Trump should hire vaping clowns to watch polls. Or clown vapers. However the order on that goes.
     
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