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Trump cheats at golf - the ONE and ONLY politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by SnarkShark, Jan 22, 2016.

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  1. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Can't like that enough.
     
    Neutral Corner, Nov 10, 2016
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  2. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    What I'm saying is that there's a problem, but the light is shining on the wrong part of the problem. The problem is not "waves of illegal immigrants coming to take our jobs." The problem is business owners illegally hiring these immigrants and illegally paying them less than minimum wage. Solve the second problem, you won't have the first. There's no movement or incentive to solve the second problem, so we continue to pretend that the problem is the first because it's easier to put "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT" on a bumper sticker.
     
    FileNotFound, Nov 10, 2016
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  3. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    If you're "undocumented," then maybe you should go someplace else. Or try to come in legally so you can have those protections.
     
    da man, Nov 10, 2016
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  4. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

     
    Inky_Wretch, Nov 10, 2016
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  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Pretty surreal to see President Elect Trump welcomed to the White House by the man, who just days earlier, had made the case that he was unfit for the office.
     
    YankeeFan, Nov 10, 2016
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  6. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    I'm fully of the belief that very few immigrants "choose" to not seek legal status. There's no real benefit to them for doing so. The barriers to said status are large -- and this is not just for Mexicans; I work with an Australian, a Dane and a Norwegian who have each spent years and countless dollars on attorneys to get status. And maybe that's fine that it's difficult. But there are a lot of business owners who take advantage of that difficulty, and turning a blind eye to that while criticizing the immigrant for being here strikes me as wrong, or at the very least disingenuous.
     
    FileNotFound, Nov 10, 2016
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  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    To me you are making random distinctions. You have two things that have been made illegal (putting aside whether either should be regulated). One is coming in, and living in the country, illegally. The other is an employer who employs an illegal to benefit from the cheap labor.

    1) When you tell me one is the" problem" and not the other, you are making a subjective determination -- no matter how reasoned you have convinced yourself you are about it.

    2) Your "solve the first problem and you won't have the second" thing is an exercise in creating problems and randomly trying to convince yourself of the solutions, in my opinion. Why don't you expand the chain? "No wait, it's the person who buys the products of the person who employed the illegal alien. Stop that person (and demonize them!) and you have your answer." I am sorry. It's just masturbation to me. We are talking about people living their lives, and making decisions that THEY have determined are to their benefit. I personally have no need to demonize people for living their lives.

    For what it is worth, I find that "love it or leave it" person just as silly as you do. I just don't see your series of posts as being any more reasoned. What got me was your need to create hysterical language -- "below market (when I actually see a market at work) "demonize (why should I demonize anyone?)" "it's like slavery (summing up that '1863' post of yours)" -- that is just as silly to me as anyone with a "love it or leave it" bumper sticker is.
     
    The Big Ragu, Nov 10, 2016
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  8. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    I guess it comes down to this, for me: I don't see illegal immigration as a key problem facing our society. Do you?
     
    FileNotFound, Nov 10, 2016
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  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Nope. I don't. But I saw you saying a lot more than that. I was responding to the rest of what you said.
     
    The Big Ragu, Nov 10, 2016
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  10. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    That sure sounds like it would turn out swell. Even better if a Wells Fargo exec is deputy secretary.
     
    swingline, Nov 10, 2016
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  11. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Inky_Wretch, Nov 10, 2016
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  12. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    Fair enough. I'm speaking more to people who do think that illegal immigration is a problem. There are solutions to the problem that don't involve demonizing illegal immigrants. Some of those solutions would be to the detriment of some business owners.
     
    FileNotFound, Nov 10, 2016
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