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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. QYFW

    QYFW Well-Known Member

    Who needs a magic wand when you have a pen!?!
     
  2. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    You forgot the phone.
     
  3. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Ragu, I have BCBS through the state teacher's system so I don't have to contend with it and have no firsthand knowledge. That said, copays, deductibles, out of pocket costs, and the price of insurance has gone up forever. I live in Alabama, which refused Federal Medicare assistance. If the state had put in a billion, the Feds would have matched it with eighteen billion. Our governor, abundantly proven to be a complete nitwit by other acts, refused to get involved because Obama. If anything Medicare here has been cut. There was never a state exchange offering insurance companies used to this market, it was all on the Federal exchange. There were only three companies supplying the state market, two of which have withdrawn. Only BCBS is left, which has roughly 85% of the market in the state. Predictably, their price has gone up. A lot. No competition whatsoever.

    There were a lot of problems with Medicare when it started, too. Year by year the bad parts were addressed and fixed until it was tolerably decent care. There was never any pretense of that with ACA.
     
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  4. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Who gives a shit? It's getting gutted in a month and a half anyway, whether it works or not.
     
  5. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Because mooslim neegro.
     
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  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    So, given all the Jefferson Beauregard Sessions references we've seen in response to Sessions' nomination, should we refer to Ellison as Keith Ellison-Muhammed or Keith E. Hakim? Or maybe just Keith Muhammad.

    In one scathing column from 1990 unearthed by CNN's KFile, Ellison accused the university's president of chilling the free expression of black students by openly criticizing a controversial speaker invited to speak on campus by the Africana Student Cultural Center. That speaker, Kwame Ture (also known as Stokely Carmichael), had publicly claimed that Zionists had collaborated with the Nazis in World War II and has been quoted as saying "Zionism must be destroyed."

    University of Minnesota President Nils Hasselmo said he "personally found the statements in Ture's speech concerning alleged Zionist collaboration with the Nazis deeply offensive." Ellison, writing under the name "Keith E. Hakim" for the Minnesota Daily, the student newspaper at the University of Minnesota where Ellison attended law school, argued that Hasselmo "denounced Ture's comment without offering any factual refutation of it," and defended Ture's right to speak on campus and to question Zionism.

    ...

    When the then-executive director of The Minneapolis Initiative Against Racism, Joanne Jackson, came under fire in 1997 for allegedly saying during a forum that Jews are the most racist white people she knows and that she did not think Farrakhan was a racist, Ellison, who identified by his religious name of Keith Ellison-Muhammad, defended her, saying, "She is correct about Minister Farrakhan. He is not a racist. He is also not an anti-Semite." (Ellison would later address this incident in 2006, writing in a letter to a local Jewish group, "While some at that meeting justified her comments, I spoke out in favor of increased dialogue between the Jewish and African-American communities. I believe that Ms. Jackson's alleged remarks were clearly bigoted, discriminatory story, inappropriate, and even ridiculous.")

    In 1998, Ellison launched a bid for Minnesota state representative, a race he lost after failing to gain the endorsement of the Democratic Party in the state, known as the DFL. Both the Star-Tribune and Insight News identified Ellison, who at time was still going by Keith Ellison-Muhammed, as deeply involved in the Nation of Islam at the time. During that race, Ellison rebuffed any insinuation he was, himself, anti-Semitic.

    "I am opposed to the subjugation of any class or person on account of their religion, national origin, sex, race, or gender," Ellison said. "I reject anti-Jewish attitude from whatever source."

    At the time, Ellison hosted a local radio show "Black Power Perspectives." The show, which aired on KMOJ radio, was hosted by Ellison for years under the name "Keith Muhammad."


    Rep. Keith Ellison faces renewed scrutiny over past ties to Nation of Islam, defense of anti-Semitic figures - CNNPolitics.com
     
  7. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    The auto bailout kept 1.5 million people in their jobs during the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes, but somehow you'd rather:

    --all of those people (actual human beings) had been tossed out on the street;
    --the government had paid unemployment benefits to those 1.5 million people;
    --the government had foregone the tax dollars those jobs generate;
    --the loss of hundreds of thousands of more jobs among suppliers and service workers who support the auto industry.
    Because better those real tragedies happen to real families than risk MISALLOCATION OF CAPITAL! and LOST OPPORTUNITY COSTS!

    Too bad those 1.5 million-plus people and their families didn't understand that the country might be better off in the long term if only we had the collective stomach to watch them suffer.
     
  8. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Are there no workhouses?
     
  9. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    I get that Im the wrong person to say this, but if Keith Ellison and Nancy Pelosi are the faces and voices of the Democratic Party during the 1st 2 years (assuming the country lasts that long) of the Trump Administration you might want to consider moving to the Netherlands. An actual black muslim and a shrew are not going to win a single vote in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Given the large number of Muslims in Michigan, you'd have to consider that Hillary got every vote from them she could. If the Democrats want to win anything worth winning in 2 years, Lena Dunham should be literally sacrificed on an alter on Marlboros and Budweiser to appease the masses. And get yourself a straight white christian man younger than 60 to be your new standard bearer.
     
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    The youngest member of the House Leadership is leaving to become California's AG.
     
  11. QYFW

    QYFW Well-Known Member

    Enjoying your return to sm, I see.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    First of all, those bailouts didn't save 1.5 million jobs. ... It's a bullshit number. ... unless you start with the presupposition that the entire auto industry would have vanished without a bailout. It's not true -- as much as it works for a bunch of partisan wankers who need to lie to sell their bullshit. In your case, you get fed the bullshit number and then you repeat it over and over again, but. ... well, no.

    And even with that, the short-term fix of bailing out two auto companies that had bankrupted themselves (which were handpicked for favor at the expense of how many other entities?) created way worse problems for the country as a whole. And has undoubtedly cost way more than 1.5 million people better paying jobs than what they have been left with in the wake of the depression you forced on them.

    There is also the matter of equity. You just told me how caring you are. ... How many companies laid off how many millions of workers during that period, which weren't rewarded with similar bailouts? Why does GM matter more than Hewlett-Packard when it comes to crony capitalism? How many of those Hewlett-Packard workers who were laid off had that much more trouble landing on their feet (as we remained in a prolonged depression) because of the anchor on the economy you saddled us with in the name of your bungling?

    You actually fuck people with all of your caring. ... and what is aggravating is that in the wake of the suffering you REALLY cause, you have the nerve to come back to boast about all the great things you did. Stop. We suffered for those bailouts.and a bunch of other things like it. First, there is the debt we left ourselves with that stifles future economic growth and the more viable and better paying jobs (because they would have been demand driven jobs -- not cronyism or political favors being handed out leaving our economy with a large bill to pay) that would have come from actual market driven activity -- people deciding for themselves what they value; I know a novel idea. Even in the immediate term, any number less than the 1.5 million jobs you try to attach to your great deeds is bullshit. You have no idea how GM and Chrysler being given billions of dollars as a reward for their failure disadvantaged Ford of Honda or Toyota. You have no idea how many jobs (viable jobs that didn't need to be subsidized) you clueless cost people, and as importantly, you have no clue how much worse off we all were because of your insistence on funneling resources to places of failure. You disadvantaged the very people who likely would have used the capital better. ... and stifled innovation we would have all benefited from (along with the jobs that come from that kind of economic activity).

    But I point that out, and you'll resort to how much you care about the people you are cluelessly screwing.

    You would break all of the windows in a building to boast about all of the window installers you put to work. And if I protest, you are back to tell me how much more caring you are. It's ridiculous.
     
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