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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Right. They don't care. That's what I meant.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I'd also like to read the companion piece, "What Was Bernie Sanders Thinking?"

    He is as at fault as anyone for this abomination.
     
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  4. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Trump's made his foreign policy pretty clear. If you fuck with us -- like ISIS -- he'll go after you with full force.

    But, other than that, he favors stability over constant war and attempts at nation building.

    Here he is from his "thank you tour" in Michigan:

    From now, on it's going to be America first, America first.

    (APPLAUSE)

    We will stop racing to topple foreign — and you understand this, foreign regimes that we know nothing about, that we shouldn't be involved with. Instead our focus must be on defeating terrorism and destroying ISIS.

    (APPLAUSE)

    And we will. Any nation that shares these goals will be our partner in this mission. We won't forget it. We want to strengthen all friendships and seek out new friendships rather than a rigid dogma. We are guided by the lessons of history and a desire to promote stability, stability all over and strength in our land. This destructive cycle of intervention and chaos must finally, folks, come to an end, come to an end.

    (APPLAUSE)

    We have spent, at last count, $6 trillion in the Middle East, and our roads have potholes all over. Our highways are falling apart. Our bridges are falling. Our tunnels are no good. Our airports are horrible like Third World countries. We got to start spending on ourselves, but we've got to be so strong militarily like we've never ever been before, remember that …

    (APPLAUSE)

    ... like we've never been before.

    (APPLAUSE)

    We seek harmony and goodwill among the nations of the world, and we believe that respect from mutual sovereignty helps form the basis of trust and understanding, but we don't want people taking advantage of us anymore. We don't want countries taking advantage of us anymore. We don't want that. We don't want that.

    Trump's Victory Tour Stump Speech, Annotated
     
  5. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    They recognize it as a fact, though. And if economic things go wrong, they'll hold it against him. Start with the obvious. Job one for the Republican Congress is taking away health insurance from millions of people. If Trump goes along, the argument, "all he cares about is getting richer, not you at all" will gain force. If he goes along with (and if Republicans are able to pass, which I kind of doubt) Medicare's conversion into a subsidy system much like Obamacare, his corruption will be more likely seen as a negative. Good luck finding an individual health insurance policy when you turn 65, no matter what kind of subsidy you get.
    The basic dilemma of Trump's administration will be that he campaigned on giving people all kinds of stuff while he leads a party that is devoted to taking stuff away from more people to give tax cuts to a small group of people which includes Trump himself.
     
  6. BitterYoungMatador2

    BitterYoungMatador2 Well-Known Member

    No.

    The democrats took one of the most polarizing political figures and tried jamming her down our throats. It was the political equivalent of, "eat your carrots, because I said so."

    And then they ran one of the most politically arrogant campaigns seen in recent memory. They barely campaigned in Michigan until they end because they merely assumed, "they're a shoo in for us. All of the blue collar slapasses vote D." They didn't even bother going to Wisconsin at all for the same logic.

    Bernie caused none of that. If anything, he exposed how vulnerable this candidate was. But nobody cared. It was gonna' be her, hell or high water -- and with this administration, we may get both.
     
  7. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Clinton won the primaries fair and square. The "she didn't campaign in place X" ignores the fact she campaigned damn hard in Pennsylvania and still lost there. Also that she got the most votes. I don't blame Sanders for that, he was a good soldier in the general election.
     
  8. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member



    (Maybe don't play with the speakers on at work, you know?)
     
  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    There are a million "but fors" in this election. And, indeed, she didn't cover herself in glory with her run-out-the-clock, cautious strategy.

    That said, one of the "but fors" is Bernie Sanders's insistence on tearing down his party's candidate well after it was clear that he was no longer in contention to win the nomination. It should have been clear to him, based upon his own unanticipated appeal, that there was a populist surge out there, and he should have known damn well that the populist surge could play right into the demagogue's hand, running as he would be against an experienced, establishment candidate. He chose to keep making speeches and ripping her to shreds. Nice work, Senator. Enjoy President Trump.
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Yeah, after he sabotaged her in the primaries by reminding people of her vulnerabilities against Trump, well after he was out of contention. What a prince. With friends like these ...
     
  11. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Noteworthy that Washington media is treating Sanders as de facto leader of Democratic party now. That'll last until action shifts to Congress, where he's just a back bencher in opposition party.
     
  12. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

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    Last edited: Dec 13, 2016
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