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Who is the 2017 NFL MVP

  1. Tom Brady

    13 vote(s)
    31.0%
  2. Aaron Rogers

    8 vote(s)
    19.0%
  3. LeVeon Bell

    3 vote(s)
    7.1%
  4. Matt Ryan

    6 vote(s)
    14.3%
  5. Ezekiel Elliott

    3 vote(s)
    7.1%
  6. Matt Stafford

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Julio Jones

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Derek Carr

    5 vote(s)
    11.9%
  9. Dak Prescott

    3 vote(s)
    7.1%
  10. Other

    1 vote(s)
    2.4%
  1. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    That might be true. In fact, I probably wouldn't argue with that. Beckham has pretty much been their offense much of the season.

    My point is if you think the Cowboys could just plug in Alfred Morris and get close to the production they're getting from Elliott, you're very much mistaken.
     
  2. CD Boogie

    CD Boogie Well-Known Member

    I'm gonna call in a favor and ask garrett to bench Zeke and prove you wrong (bc otherwise, what chance do I have of proving you wrong?)
     
  3. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    :D
     
  4. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I don't think either Bell or Elliott is the MVP, but Bell does more for his team. He is a factor on every third down, either as a receiving option or as a blocker. Elliott spends far too many third downs on the sideline.
     
  5. The Raiders don't win the division, much less make the playoffs without him. If that's not the definition of MVP, I don't know what is.

    Why Belichick?
    He took a Brady-less team to 4-1. He took a team with a perceived crappy defense, leaky O-line, and a weak receiving corps to the best record in the AFC and No. 1-2 seed in the playoffs. The guy is a hell of a coach and got more out the Pats than anyone else would have.
    Take Brady, Blount, Edelman and that defense and any other coach in the league and they don't win 11,12, 13 games. Not happening. He's heads and shoulders above everyone else in the league.

    I would argue for Del Rio over Gase, but Del Rio wouldn't be in the discussion w/o Carr, hence the MVP.
     
  6. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    Just FYI, in Dallas' game against Tampa Bay last week, third-d0wn back Lance Dunbar played five (5) snaps. The Cowboys ran 13 third-d0wn plays.

    I don't have a breakdown of who was on the field for all 13 of those plays, but I do know from the gamebook that Elliott had four third-down touches -- two runs and two catches. Dunbar touched the ball twice the entire game.
     
  7. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    "4-1 without Brady" keeps being posted, but it's 3-1.
     
  8. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Perhaps that ratio is changing now, but the point still stands. Aside from one huge play on a screen pass against Pittsburgh, Elliott has not been much of a factor in the passing game.
     
  9. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    He has 31 catches for 351 yards. Three times he has had four catches, all in close games. It's completely incorrect to say he has not been much of a factor in the passing game.

    Unless there's a special connotation somewhere.
     
  10. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    His average of 11.3 yards per reception is best in the league among qualifying running backs.
     
  11. dirtybird

    dirtybird Well-Known Member

    Elliot plays a pretty respectable 72.5 percent of his team's offensive snaps, ranks fourth in the league. In raw stats, he's actually close to Bell, but that's only because of the suspension and the fact that Bell is on the field an insane amount.

    Despite missing three games, he's third in the league in percentage of snaps on the field among running backs. If you just look at games he's played, he's on the field for more than 96 percent of his team's stats. Since 2012, the best percent for a season was Matt Forte at 92.1. So that's interesting at least.
     
  12. Rhody31

    Rhody31 Well-Known Member

    Carr's game log doesn't look good enough to get MVP.
    Only five games where he completed 65 percent of his passes and only one where he completed 70. Thrown for 2 or more TDs in only half the games. He's a little more than game manager, but if you put Brady/Rodgers/Ryan in his place how many of those close wins turn to blowouts? Carr's a handful of plays on either side of the ball from being .500 and I don't know how many of his 12 wins are mainly because of his - the opener, the first SD game, the Tampa game, the Houston game?

    Brady would be well above him because without Brady they beat the crap teams (Browns, 49ers, Jets, Rams), maybe lose to Buffalo, probably lose to Cincy, definitely lose to Denver and Baltimore. That Seahawks game would have been a disaster. Then they're staring at needed a win over the Jets and a win on the road at Miami for the division.

    I'm big into Elliot because of how he controls the game. He's not piling up garbage time numbers either. He's running to get the offense moving, running for scores and is killing teams at the end of the game. If you're kicking off down 3 to Dallas with five minutes left, onside because he's getting 10 every single time.

    The only way he's earning a negative is if he coughs the ball up and cost the Cowboys a game that means something.
     
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