NFL MVP

You are 100 percent correct that Johnson is a viable candidate and in that conversation as the league's best back. What holds him back in the MVP discussion and likely in the voting is his team is 5-8-1 and has vastly underachieved this season. Might not be fair, but that's the way it is.

 

Why do you have to result to insults? You could have made that post without the last line, but you had to throw a shot in. You can have a debate without resorting to challenging people's intelligence.

Carr is ninth in yardage, 13th in yards per game, 20th in yards per attempt, 17th in completion percentage, tied for 7th in TDs (while playing in a predominantly pass-first offense). Are those MVP numbers?

I didn't realize what Matt Ryan's numbers looked like. He's gotta be above Tom Brady too.

I'm still in Elliot's camp because of his importance to that team, but if it's Matt Ryan that's not a bad pick either.

 

Is there some metric by which Ryan "does it by himself" and Carr "doesn't do it by himself" that you're leaning on here? I'm trying to educate myself.

BTW fourth-quarter comebacks goes: Stafford, 8; Carr, 7; ... ... ... ... Ryan, 1; Brady, 1.

I've been saying for a couple of pages that Carr, while gutting through the hand injury, probably cost himself the MVP award. But you're spectacularly unaware of how his season has gone. Odd that you'd want to be considered an authority on it.

 

Well, I voted for Ryan. The quarterback of the league's highest-scoring team by a mile has to be somewhat valuable. Carr's had a hell of a year. Brady too. Rodgers is finishing strong. Elliott has had an amazing year, but a running back has to already be a lock Hall of Famer like AP, having a career year to have a ghost of a chance.

 

Why should the rest of a player's career affect whether he is the MVP this season?

 

It shouldn't. But that's the history of how the vote has gone, that's all.

 

The "pass-first" Raiders are ninth in the league in rushing attempts per game and sixth in total rushing yards. They are also eighth in pass attempts per game, so they actually have a decent balance. This isn't a team that just throws it all over because they can't run or aren't patient with the run.

LTL is probably right about Carr, that playing through the injury may have cost him his shot at the MVP award, but your post really doesn't show a clear understanding of Oakland's offense.

 

Sounded like it affected your vote.

 

No, I picked Ryan on the merits. I hope I made it clear all the candidates were meritorious.

 

Cool.

 

That's silly reasoning.

 

Why are votes for league awards being made with 12.5% of the season remaining? Holy hell, the idiot MLB writer from Tampa got shit for putting in his Cy ballot with a week or so left in the season. Imagine if he'd submitted it with 20 games left.