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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Part of it is that she was trying like crazy to reach young people after Bernie Sanders sabotaged her.
     
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  2. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

    When deployed, I score with someone "better" three nights a week. Rosie is much smarter than she.

    And, when I'm home, I score with someone way better, although probably not as often. :D
     
  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    And Lena Dunham.
     
  4. Vombatus

    Vombatus Well-Known Member

    Why? Where is the proof of life? Are we sure Dick isn't married to a bottle of Jergen's?
     
  5. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Many times Hillary would say something on the order of "You all know how I feel about X, and my detailed policy statement on it can be found at HillaryClinton.com." You could indeed find detailed policy on all sort of things, fifteen pages on each bullet point. She never mastered how to deliver a punchy two sentence statement on the audience's main issues, which was Trump's strength. Trump's answer would be completely void of content, but he would recognize that X was a problem, blame Obama and Hillary, express sympathy, and promise to fix it. You and I both know that he can't fix natural gas falling so low in price that using coal is no longer economically feasible, but Kentucky and West Virginia coal miners lapped that shit right up. HRC is simply not a natural politician, and lacked the instincts to do that kind of thing.
     
  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    C'mon. You didn't like trumped up, trickle down?
     
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Same problem that befell John Glenn's ill fated campaign, right @Starman?

     
  8. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Nope. Once in a while she'd have a good prepared line, but in a general sense her speechwriters were severe fail as comedy writers.

    I suspect you enjoyed that one far more than I, given that you're still gloating about it.
     
  9. JohnHammond

    JohnHammond Well-Known Member

    Check the methodology. Not objective as you think it is.
     
  10. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Is there anything I could list that you wouldn't just reflexively say, "It's Bush's fault?"
    That's one. The creation of a culture of no personal responsibility. None of his bad policies (the trillion dollar stimulus that didn't do much of anything, growth of the debt, ISIS, the spike in gas prices in the early 2010s, a stagnant economy, violent crime and terrorist attacks that get blamed on the victims) get blamed on him. It's been EIGHT YEARS he's been in office and supposedly steering the country, and he's still blaming Bush. That trickles down throughout the population, and we're seeing it everywhere.
    Now, I'll be fair. He did inherit some bad situations. But what has he done that has made them appreciably better?
    Go ahead and blame Bush and the Republicans. It's easy enough to do.

    Even on social issues, which is probably his greatest success, he hasn't exactly sought common ground to raise everyone up. He (and the Democrats) play partisan politics and raise up one group by actively seeking to tear others down. Instead of trying to find the common, practical ground with "the bitter clingers," he was at the forefront of the idea they should be looked down upon and mocked.
    For a guy who was supposed to be "the great uniter" and a leader of all Americans, that's a massive fail.
    Blame racism if you want. Those white rednecks in Mississippi and Alabama were just determined to bring down the black president.

    Meanwhile, his biggest failure is simply the way he achieved his goals. The executive orders and constant legal challenges from the left are a huge time bomb that might blow up in all our faces now that the precedent has been set. He couldn't get his way, so he routinely sidestepped the Constitution. Noble goals, I guess, but bad methods with no eye toward the future. We're all about to reap what he sowed.
    Blame those dastardly Republicans again. It's easy to do. Why they can't see Obama's omnipotent genius is beyond comprehension, amiright?

    Foreign policy? Ye gods. When you start your presidency by apologizing to anyone who will listen and blame your own country for all of the world's evils, that's just bad. Has he ever promoted the U.S., in any meaningful way, as a great nation? Or just painted us as a rogue nation tromping all over the world like a 5-year-old stomping ant hills?

    So, yeah, maybe there's not four specific, historical fuck-ups. But he ain't exactly in the Lincoln-Washington-Roosevelt pantheon either.
     
  11. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

  12. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    I honestly don't understand why so many people are so pissed off at the Obamas.
     
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