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Retirement?

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by bstnmarthn354, Jan 2, 2017.

  1. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    My mother's a retired CPA in her early 70s, and her only sibling is a couple-years-older bachelor brother. Dude's odd, let me tell you. Smart -- he was a real-live rocket scientist who's got a couple of heavily classified patents to his name -- but odd. He's always been a borderline hoarder, but now that he's long retired he's really running with it.

    Anyway, when he hit the magic RMD age a few years ago, my mother was all over him about it. "You've got to do this!" she'd yell. "You've got to!" But he still couldn't bring himself to do it. You read that right ... he actually paid the penalties (equivalent to a 50% marginal tax rate on whatever he was supposed to withdraw) because he couldn't bring himself to touch the money. And he did that more than once.
     
  2. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    That is a great point, but I just don't know anyone, or very few, in that circumstance.
    Most people are know are over-leveraged, in my opinion. They're often middle-middle class earners living like upper-middle class earners.
    They're incorrectly focused on college savings for children, for which there are a lot of funding options, rather than retirement savings, for which there are limited options.

    I don't think most people save enough.
     
  3. Amy

    Amy Well-Known Member

    When I was in my 30s, I think my identity was very tied to my work. I had a high profile job in my specialty. I was big on the speaker circuit, wrote articles for trade publications and went to lots of conferences even if I wasn't speaking. Much of my social life involved people from work. Although I'm speaking at conferences again after a break for a few years, I accept fewer requests and frequently don't stay for the entire conference. Very little of my life is connected to work. At one time it would have been inconceivable to not be striving for some Big Job, much less walk away. Now I won't look back.

    When I moved to South Florida it was with the intent it would be my home after retirement. I thought it would be Asheville, NC until I lived there for three years. As odd as it may be in Palm Beach County, it suits me. I actually think the other place I could live is back in Minneapolis. If I wasn't working, I wouldn't have to go outside when there was a foot of snow or it was - 10 degrees outside.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah. I know what you mean. One of the most underdiscussed and underreported things today is how indebted everyone and everything is. The Fed tracks consumer debt levels, and it is clear that a very large chunk of America is living well beyond its means. I have gotten into why that is. I'll spare you. :) And as you said, it is compounded by the fact that higher education costs have skyrocketed due to all of the government-guaranteed loans allowing crappy universities to essentially keep charging more and more and create a mortgage for what are largely (not all, but many) worthless degrees. So way fewer people like my parents today, are able to do what they were able to do back in the day. It sucks. You are correct, the average baby boomer has somewhere between $100,000 and $150,000 in total retirement savings; somewhere around $8,000 or $9,000 a year in retirement. Almost 40 percent of them have less than $50,000 saved. Add in the fact, that to the extent there are people still relying on pensions, we are on the precipice of a crisis because we have a lot of pensions that can't meet their obligations -- and the public pensions are among the worst. ZIRP has fucked over savers -- and that includes any pension / insurance type of saving. Then add in that Social Security is not being able to meet its obligations as promised -- and something for people my age is clearly going to give before I reach retirement age. A lot of people are still living a fantasy about their retirement and don't seem to know it yet. I don't do heavy planning for my retirement -- as I said in my first post, I am just on a quest to accumulate way more money than I will possibly need. Then I will step back and keep working -- but only because I want to. To the extent I have made sure I won't be eating ramen noodles at 75, I am not counting on a thing from Social Security. By then, benefits will need to be reduced, or it will be means tested in a way that excludes me. Whatever I have saved (and that hasn't been confiscated from me), I will have.
     
  5. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    I'd like to loosen the purse strings a little, but there is some longevity in the family (grandmothers who died at 94 and 90, and a father who turns 90 in May). And my finances are it. There's no second income now, and there will be no second Social Security check coming to the house in a few years. It's all on me. And I'll keep pouring 25 percent into the 401(k) as long as I can.
     
  6. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    Well said.
    I have some money in a public pension and am simply waiting for the appropriate time to roll it into another long-term savings mechanism.
    Conservative estimates place California's unfunded public pension liability around $200 billion. That's a pretty big matzo ball hanging out there.
    Opponents of Social Security warned of the problems with the plan before it passed, and almost everything they have predicted has come true or is coming true.
    I am not planning to rely on SS in any way, but I factor it in as possible income in some scenarios.

    I left journalism at 37, and this is one of the reasons I left. I was not making enough to ensure financial stability for myself into the second half of life.
    That's not the only reason I left, but it was one of my considerations.
     
  7. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    I was fortunate enough to have some 20 years in at my old place before the pension was frozen. The resultant nest egg changed the long-term outlook -- although I certainly wouldn't want to be dipping into it at age 58.
     
  8. micropolitan guy

    micropolitan guy Well-Known Member

    62, going on 63. Two more years, no more than three. Still might work for one of my current employers on a part-time (June 1-mid-August) basis, but the year I turn 66 I will active my SSI, at a much-higher rate than at 62.

    House will be paid off shortly, Micro Jr. will be out of college, I can get MediCare, and I'll also still get health-care benefits covered through my wife's job, as she plans to go for 4-5 more years and then gets coverage and early-retirement benefits after that.

    Shouldn't have to touch my annuity and IRAs until I legally have to. I started retirement saving in my mid-20s and sure don't regret that now.

    Looking forward to it. I can keep busy, and I'm easily entertained.
     
  9. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    If you find yourself in West Palm and this chunky bald white guy shuffles over and asks if he might have your little salad dressing cup -- "just to complete my collection" -- I'd suggest: A) giving it to him when you're done; and B) doing everything in your power to avoid actual conversation with him. Because that dude, who's my uncle, is weird, and before you know it he's going to be going on and on about which vintage of Craftsman crescent wrenches is the best/hardest to find.
     
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  10. SFIND

    SFIND Well-Known Member

    God that sucks for you all. My father recently retired after 30 years working at a university, and the Ohio Public Retirees system is doing well (as far as I've read and he tells me, anyway). He also worked about 20 years before that at a factory and is going to start pulling Social Security in a few years. I'm glad he's going to get it before it's gone. I'm certainly not planning on it seeing it by the time I'm that age.
     
  11. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    I've got seven years paid into CalPERS, which is going to crumble.
    California's retirement fund is in big trouble

    They loosened the reigns to allow wild speculative investments during financial boom years. Now the long-term repercussions come back to haunt.
     
  12. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    Sorry, eight years in CalPERS.
     
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