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It looks that way so far. It will be interesting to watch as the power struggle, backstabbing, and jockeying for position gets going. When we're talking Trump, anything can change overnight.

 

Our kid's public elementary school put on a Christmas program - albeit wrapped into a PTA meeting to try to drum up attendance for the business portion of it. All the songs were about Santa though, no mention of little baby Jesus in the manger.

 

I'm sure it depends how cautious your lawyers are.

 

That is part of it. So is the slippery slope argument.

But what about that kid in rural Arkansas or Tennessee who isn't a Christian? Even if it is only a very small minority, or even just one child, doesn't he or she deserve to be treated as an equal? Doesn't that child deserve to be able to go to the public school without being forced to either take part in a celebration of a faith that is not his or her own or be set apart from the rest of the school?

Also, see the quote from The West Wing in my sig. It is about school prayer, but the idea is the same.

"It's the fourth grader who gets his ass kicked at recess because he sat out the voluntary prayer in homeroom. It's another way of making kids different from other kids and they are required by law to be there." - West Wing character Toby Ziegler on prayer in school.

As Justin pointed out, there are plenty of places for that Christmas pageant outside of school.

 

I need a Trumpslator to understand what that tweet even means.

 

Might as well tell cities they can't put up Christmas lights. That will be great for America.

 

Oh for sure. I live in a part of the country where public schools were still letting the local Church of Christ preacher give an invocation with references to "Jay-zus" before varsity football games as recently as five years ago. (Oddly, those invocations never happened before JV or freshmen football games, girls basketball, softball or volleyball or boys basketball or baseball games. I guess they didn't need the protection from injury and the visiting team didn't need it on their travels back home.")

On the flip side, when people start griping about how prayer was taken out of schools I always get confused. I'm 48, grew up in public schools in the south and never heard a prayer in the classroom. The PA system at football games. But never in the classroom. In fact, you could even make a case with the rise of Fellowship of Christian Athletes and the Rally at the Flagpole events there is more religion in public schools now than when I graduated in 1986.

 

Hey YF, care to comment how these tweets make Trump look, in your opinion?

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I just have some empathy for them, I guess.

 

We prayed every day in the Catholic school I went to. It didn't keep some of my classmates safe from being fucked by faculty members.

 

I see that Toby quote, and what I think we need to realize we are facing is how much is on the table that we thought was settled. There's a lot of people, the kinds of people we're all supposed to be sucking up to politically because they swung the election, who don't think school attendance should be mandatory.