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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Sure. We want to become more energy-efficient. Every car that gets less than 20 mpg needs to be off the road pronto, we decide.

    So, you either buy a new car or pay $1,000 to use your old one.
     
  2. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    If Republicans in power ever want to do something shitty, they do it regardless of how "nice" the Democrats that came before them were.
     
  3. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Sounds like a job creating law for door-to-door Bible salesmen.
     
  4. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    IANAL, but wasn't it also the case that the only reason the penalty/tax passed constitutional muster was because it was so modest? Meaning, if there had been the political will to pass a penalty with teeth (i.e., both substantial enough and collectible enough to work), it likely wouldn't have got past the Supremes because of other considerations?
     
  5. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Many (most) don't.

    1. Mortgage interest is only a usable tax deduction if it --- combined with property taxes and other deductions --- exceeds the amount of your standard deduction. That's almost $13,000 for married people. Not a ton of people are paying $10,000+ in interest for very long (in my case it was only 2 years; a single person might).

    2. Homeowners --- with a mortgage or without --- are paying property taxes. Renters are not. Yet they get to use the same schools and roads and parks. So much for your "lower tax rate" argument.
     
  6. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Right on 1. Dead wrong on 2.
     
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  7. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Funny. My state says "Buy car insurance or else", both for my protection and so that the citizens around me won't be stuck with a hospital/car repair bill they can't afford to pay, and no one has a real problem with it. "Buy health insurance for your own protection and so that you won't stick everyone around you with bills you can't afford to pay" isn't so different, except perhaps that young people think they will never need medical care... which isn't so different from how they view car insurance, absent the laws requiring it.
     
  8. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Neutral, you don't have to have a car (and thus car insurance) is the difference here.
     
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  9. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    It is extremely different and it is sad how many people fall back on this argument, showing that they don't understand the issues involved at all.

    Your state does not require you to purchase car insurance. Your state requires you to purchase car insurance if you choose to operate a motor vehicle on a state-owned road
     
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  10. JohnHammond

    JohnHammond Well-Known Member

    Is it worse than the "renters don't pay property taxes" trope?
     
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  11. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    You're right, I have the choice to find a job I can walk to, live close enough to a grocery to walk back and forth to for food, etc. Public transit here is so poor as to be near non-existent. In a legal/logical sense you are correct, it is an imperfect anology, but in any practical sense damn few of us live without the routine daily use of an automobile.

    Some of you may not have one, but I suspect that percentage is rather small.
     
  12. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Trump naming Ivanka's hubby as "senior adviser."
     
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