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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    I bet she also owes a few dimes in library fines for an overdue book back in 1989. We need time to vet this.
     
  2. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Billionaires don't stay billionaires if they keeps paying all their bills.
     
  3. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Jewish community centers in seven US cities got bomb threats today.
     
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  4. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    No, it's not me. But needless to say, I endorse pretty much every word.
     
  5. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Warm up the ovens.

    I hope you're happy, Bibi.

    You're finally rid of that horrible nasty mooslim neegro.

    And now you've got the Nazis in the White House.
     
  6. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

  7. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    I was looking to news to read of this -- didn't see anything -- but stumbled across some "society" type pieces about Ivanka. I did not realize she had converted to Judaism and is very observant.

    My word can you be disgusting. And ignorant.
     
  8. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Starman is YF's useful idiot.
     
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  9. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    It is what it is. It's time to start saying so, as long as we still can, which undoubtedly won't be long.
     
  10. Twirling Time

    Twirling Time Well-Known Member

    Trump's more the Mussolini type of populist authoritarian.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    People who have muddled the concept of insurance (when it comes to medical care) seem to have no clue that actual insurance = an entity (in return for payment of a premium) providing a guarantee of compensation in the case of a something happening. Insurance, as a business, only makes sense when you are insuring relatively low-risk events. The person who purchases insurance knows that the chances of a loss happening are low, but if it does happen, it will be costly. You pay a little to protect yourself from something way more expensive. The insurer pools premiums, profits a little. ... and most people will never need to make a claim.

    You just acknowledged that nobody lives without needing medical care. Which is why the "insurance" thing has always been bullshit. Because to "insure" a high probability event (needing medical care). ... requires people to pay premiums that equal the actual cost of the thing they are going to likely need. There is no need for insurance -- your costs will be what they are and it is nearly guaranteed you will incur them.

    What you are REALLY suggesting are transfer payments / an entitlement, not "insurance." Aside from the fact that it gets back to the usual conversations about entitlements and who pays for them. ... The bullshit surrounding this is exactly what has driven up the price of health care over decades. When you interfere with the care market, as Medicare did first, for example, and we have escalated to increasing degrees since then (including the ACA) by putting "regulations" on the market in the hope that you can create something for nothing (which is a BS promise), what you actually do is create massive inefficiencies that drive total costs up. It hasn't just been in the health care market. It has been other things. It has been in higher education, for example, You promise everyone a low-rate loan that gets subsidized. And you destroy the market with false demand that wouldn't have been there if people had to bare the costs themselves. Colleges can drive prices up, knowing that the government has created a price floor. Same thing with health care in this country -- and it has created a mess.

    In the case of your "single system," you still have to pay for whatever health care people consume. Who pays for it? And on top of that. ... now you don't have a competitive environment (which is what really drives down costs), so you make it more expensive. In addition, people don't temper their consumption -- since in that world, Joe and Jane don't directly bear the cost. So why pay attention to the cost? It's moral hazard in a nutshell. And it is why when politicians tinker with these things, they fuck them up and drive up costs. I'd even argue that there is a good chance we would see less diabetes, less heart disease, etc. (things whose incidence have gone way up, but are the result of people not taking care of themselves) if more people really bore the costs of the medications, procedures, etc. that keep them alive.

    Regardless, insurance itself (rather than this fantasy that you can take care of everyone and not bear the cost) would cover relatively rare occurrences. It wouldn't promise everyone a check up every year, their birth control pills, pregnancy screenings, etc.
     
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  12. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Speaking of Virginia roads (and government largesse, to tie back into the thread's theme):

    Ahead of the snow, toll for Express Lanes in Virginia rises over $30 during evening rush hour

    The $30 toll is to go 14 miles on the Beltway (the $9.35 is to go 3 miles). In bumper-to-bumper traffic, too, because it was flurrying and no one wanted to deal with the regular lanes.

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