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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Where are the civil libertarians when you really need them? These columns support broad surveillance powers for national security, but executive officials need to be accountable if those powers are abused. If congressional oversight of U.S. intelligence operations is going to be worth the name, then it should include the unmasking of a political opponent by a senior official in the White House.

    Democrats certainly raised a fuss during the Bush years and after Edward Snowden kicked off the debate about “metadata,” which are merely telephone numbers without names. Oregon Senator Ron Wyden went so far as to introduce a bill in 2013 to strengthen the ban on “reverse targeting”—in which intelligence agencies surveil foreigners but with the goal of capturing U.S. citizen communications.

     
  2. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

  3. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member


    I sure hope the offense puts together a drive soon so you can get off the field and get some oxygen.
     
  4. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Too bad we wiped our collective ass with the Fourth Amendment 16 years ago.

    If only there was a way to see this kind of thing coming...
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    The erosion of the Fourth Amendment, hypocrisy, and other things, drove you away from the Republicans. And that's fine.

    But, when you make excuses for it when the Democrats do the very things that outraged you when Republicans did it, it's pretty disappointing.
     
  6. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    Don't forget that Walgreens management invited Trump to their game.
     
  7. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    For the 74,973rd time, we'd be a lot closer to getting things right if we stopped framing it in Democrat/Republican terms. Do what's right. That should be party-neutral.
     
  8. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    Who's making excuses?

    I'm just answering the "Where are all the civil liberties advocates now?" pearl clutching.

    We're certainly not empathizing with the same people who couldn't have cared less until they knew it could happen to them, too.
     
  9. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    I worry about nepotism in the Trump administration with Ivanka and her hubby as trusted advisors. What about the other kids?

    Seems you should spread it around more. The Godfather trusted Fredo with a hit every now and then.

    But Donald Jr. and What's His Name just seem to make food runs and tee times.

    And poor Tiffany! Can't she get a federal judge spot or something?
     
  10. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    The anniversary of Martin Luther King's assassination seems like a fitting occasion to point out that US government surveillance of individuals and efforts to disrupt perfectly legal political activity go back much further than 2001. They have been going on for longer than I have been alive.
     
  11. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

  12. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    And it's totally the same in scope in the digital age as it was in the 1950s.
     
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