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Royal Bank of Scotland to investors: 'Sell everything'

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Jan 12, 2016.

  1. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    My signature move would be to drop some Latin on you, but @Riptide has shamed me out of that.
     
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  2. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Always good to mix up signature moves in springtime. Like moving the furniture around a bit, it can kick you out of a rut even if it seems inconsequential.

    Since you were nice enough to play, I took a quick and dirty Wikipedia course on lump of labor fallacy. I could be wrong (I often am) but I don't recall making an arguement to split existing jobs among more people or that there is a fixed amount of positions in the economy. Indeed my view is that technological disruptions have shifted and are shifting the curve to a new, lower level.

    Just like it doesn't take a barn full of hired hands to tend a crop anymore, it takes far fewer people than it used to in order to produce a newspaper or run the back office of an insurance firm or extract coal from under a mountain. Sears is on its deathbed and Walmart hears thunder in the distance as Amazon comes to rip up retail shopping with a fraction of its workforce. Soon truck drivers will be as redundant as elevator operators.

    In all of these exchanges, the aggregate number of people working goes down. Even if it makes some magic number called "Productivity" look nice, these people have got bills to pay and fewer options for paying them. And back here in Hicksville, the answers that come out of an Econ textbook mysteriously always tend to favor those who've already made it and don't want to share.
     
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  3. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    When you use the phrase "enough jobs to go around" (which you did earlier) you've stumbled into a Lump of Labor argument.

    And you are just flat wrong to assume that as, e.g., truck drivers become redundant "the aggregate number of people working goes down."

    Finally, as re:
    "You are why your churches are empty
    of those who love and believe in freedom.
    You are why the Gentiles blaspheme the name of God.
    You are the reason for the Exodus.

    And if you pursue, may God throw you into the sea.
    And the horse you rode in on."

    Go fuck yourself.
     
  4. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    Well, actually I was thinking of a different part.

    You studied hard and worked harder to get where you are and good for you. I don't begrudge you your money. I hope you and your family enjoy it. But you (or at least the character you play on here) have no heart for the many who struggle and no way to conceive that it could have just as easily been you left behind with the other millbillies, even if you studied and worked just as hard. You sneer at the college students that help make possible your good life. You delight in the misfortune of others who believe differently than you. You may not have voted for Donald Trump out of embarrassment at his overwhelming vulgarity but you dare not speak out against his actions lest it give an ounce of succor to those you despise.

    You made it out and good for you. But don't pretend you didn't lose your raising.
     
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  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    People who believe zero sum types of things astound me. What is particularly upsetting about it for me is that the people who start off with those ideas (and can never be swayed) often use it as the basis for how they are going to manage the world to make it great. It's like putting someone who is absolutely convinced that the sun revolves around the earth in charge of NASA. Actually worse, because these idiotic beliefs lead to things that negatively affect everyone else.

    The unfortunate thing is that it is exactly the kind of ignorance behind a lot of the populism we are seeing here now. ... For example, the idiocy that we need to restrict immigration, because they are "taking away our jobs."
     
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  6. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    I think America could be four percent more productive if we used all the effort, learning, time and passion we use to argue online towards real life.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    China bond yields invert for the first time on record

    China's yield curve inverted overnight. That is not normal and it is a serious sign of credit distress.

    The amount of leverage -- not just in China, although China is a ticking time bomb that very well could be the global catalyst -- out there reached insane levels over the last few years. It has created huge misallocations of capital that are going to bring about something that has always been rather predictable. But if we don't see a credit crisis or one of the multitude of bubbles worldwide that have been blown pop this week or in the next month or next 6 months, I'll get posts on here trying to turn what I have said into a market timing discussion. For what it is worth, prior to the financial crisis, the yield curve in the U.S. inverted in 2006, a full two years before it was on the radar screen of the typical person.
     
  8. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    OK, everyone, this could be it. Don't panic and for the love of God remember where you bury your gold bars.
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

  10. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    and if not, I am not wrong it will happen eventually.
     
  11. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    "The stock market has forecast nine of the last five recessions."

    --economist Paul Samuelson, 1966
     
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  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Aside from the fact that quote has nothing to do with anything I said (unless it wasn't directed at me and was meant to be a non sequitur). ... the funniest thing about it is that that forecasting record would be 100 percent better than the Federal Reserve's. ... which actually is in the business of making forecasts, which it then uses as its rationale to subvert our markets in an attempt to centrally plan the very thing they are utterly clueless about. It has the worst economic forecasting record imaginable.

    2007. ... Central Tendency (i.e. Federal Reserve forecast) 2.4 to 2.5 percent. Actual Growth = 1.8 percent.
    2008. ... Central Tendency (i.e. Federal Reserve forecast) 1.8 to 2.5 percent. Actual Growth = negative .3 percent
    2009. ... Central Tendency (i.e. Federal Reserve forecast) negative .2 percent to 1.1 percent. Actual Growth = negative 2.8 percent
    2010. ... Central Tendency (i.e. Federal Reserve forecast) 2.5 percent to 3.5 percent. Actual Growth = 2.5 percent
    2011. ... Central Tendency (i.e. Federal Reserve forecast) 3.0 percent to 3.6 percent. Actual Growth = 1.6 percent

    I can fill in more years, if you like. ...

    These are great quotes, too.

    "Given the fundamental factors in place that should support the demand for housing, we believe the effect of the troubles in the subprime sector on the broader housing market will likely be limited, and we do not expect significant spillovers from the subprime market to the rest of the economy or to the financial system. " Ben Bernanke, May 17. 2007

    "The Federal Reserve is not currently forecasting a recession," Ben Bernanke, January 10, 2008.

    "The risk that the economy has entered a substantial downturn appears to have diminished over the past month or so." Ben Bernanke, June 9, 2008.

    Those are just a couple of gems I can pull out from the last several Fed Chairs. Yet, their decisions have more impact on our lives than anyone we elect.
     
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