President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Put me down for Dead George Carlin in 2020. He can be our first YouTube president.

 

Someone put a lot of work into this parody site.



Show your support for Mike Pence

 

How many Democrats support ousting the elected president by any means necessary?

 

I think you missed the point, which is that there are a range of negative outcomes to consider, some of which could be worse than North Korea obtaining a nuke.

1. We used a military option against Iraq
2. Iraq did not become a nuclear power
3. Therefore, we were wise to use the military option against Iraq

That's your logic. Your logic is that "where we are right now" with regard to North Korea is the worst possible place we could be, and, thus, "how we got to where we are right now" (diplomacy) is the worst possible method we could've employed.

It's the kind of one-step thinking that makes POTUS such a dangerous individual. In reality, there are a range of potential outcomes that are far worse than where we are right now. Regime change in North Korea has the very real potential to become the most destabilizing world event in the 21st century, moreso even than Iraq. There are 20+ million people who have spent their entire lives caged inside of that country, completely reliant upon one man for their daily bread. Remove that one man and you remove the only thing holding the social order together. That reality might not mean much to us, but it does to China and South Korea, both of whom have decided that the threat of nuclear annihilation at the hands of Kim is a manageable price to pay to avoid having their economies devastated by the addition of 20 million starving, brainwashed North Koreans flooding over the northern and southern borders in search of someone who will take care of them.

I'm guessing you haven't read the Bowden piece that Dick keeps referencing, nor have you taken the time to consider the viewpoints of any experts who actually study No. Korean diplomacy as their full-time job. If you had, you would understand that the situation is far more complicated than the silly little zero-sum proposition that you keep suggesting (e.g. North Korea with Nuke = Defeat, North Korea without Nuke = Victory). There's a reason why neither of the two presidents before Trump could figure out a solution. There is certainly an argument that we should have acted before now. But there is nothing about the situation that is or was self-evident.

Trump is a guy who has spent much of the last decade suggesting that there are easy answers to every problem we confront as a society. People are attracted to that kind of guy because it comforts them to think that the world really isn't that complicated, that everything is more or less within our control. If we had just manned the fuck up and leveled North Korea with all our fire and fury, everything would be OK right now. Problem is, the POTUS doesn't have the luxury of thinking one step at a time. He has a lot of very smart people around him who make him very aware of the potential risks and rewards of every decision that he makes. He does not have the luxury of not being aware of inconvenient facts or implications. He can choose to ignore them, but the people around him damn sure make him aware of what they are.

Who knew health care could be so complicated. Who knew North Korea could be so complicated. Who knew immigration could be so complicated.

The answer: everybody except Trump, his base, and a bunch of swing voters who had better things to do than think. The swing voters long ago realized things are more complicated than Trump made them seem. I'm pretty sure Trump himself long ago realized that things are more complicated than he made them seem.

The only person left is you.

 

By any means necessary? Not yet

 

Yankee Fan will find some libtard bozos on the edge of the twitterverse to support the point.

 

BENGHAZI!

 

Bet that's a little harder with Foggy Bottom staffed like the graveyard shift at Whataburger.

 

Libtards.

 

LOL. I assumed you had a typo when you wrote Iraq instead of Iran.

It's indisputable that the previous three administrations failed to keep North Korea from developing a nuclear weapon.

Yet, people are upset that Trump isn't willing to play the same game.

So, tell me who's insane.

 

Because the opposite of "the same game" is war.