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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    This guy's got all kinds of info about it:





    He seems concerned:

     
    YankeeFan, Sep 3, 2017
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  2. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Time's a-comin' with North Korea.
     
    Songbird, Sep 3, 2017
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  3. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    There is jack shit we can do about North Korea that doesn't involve the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives or more unless China acts as aggressively in terms of sanctions as we would like. And China has clearly made the calculation that while it would really rather North Korea didn't have nuclear weapons, it can live with that rather than risk the collapse of that state and the impact of that collapse on China itself.
     
    Michael_ Gee, Sep 3, 2017
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  4. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Time's a-comin'.
     
    Songbird, Sep 3, 2017
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  5. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    Move to Tokyo, or better yet Seoul, and then post that one more time. Your perspective might change.
     
    Michael_ Gee, Sep 3, 2017
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  6. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    I know the fucking ramifications and that a million or two could die within minutes.

    Collateral damage sucks. But it's either them or us.
     
    Songbird, Sep 3, 2017
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  7. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    No, it's not. The US has faced at least one hostile nuclear power since 1949 without war. North Korea has the same incentive to avoid nuclear confrontation as the Soviet Union did -- it's not good for anyone. India and Pakistan have fought like four wars, but since each has acquired nukes, they haven't, despite major provocations by each side.
     
    Michael_ Gee, Sep 3, 2017
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  8. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    I read something that said Kim The Younger has launched more missiles in the past year than his father launched in his entire Dear Leadership.

    The guy is crazy in a way his predecessors weren't.
     
    MisterCreosote, Sep 3, 2017
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  9. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    Now trying to imagine what a face-to-face meeting between the two most powerful toddlers in the world, Trump and Kim, would go like.
     
    Hermes, Sep 3, 2017
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  10. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Go ahead and keep thinking that Jong-un cares about rationality.
     
    Songbird, Sep 3, 2017
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I think most Americans are deluded with regard to this. I agree with you about the "jack shit we can do." The "all options on the table" or "do a surgical strike" nonsense is just lame tough talk. There are 30,000 American troops at risk in that area and Seoul will get hammered. Plus, that isn't even taking into account that when push comes to shove China actually wants North Korea there like this as a buffer to itself. We are in the same situation we have long been in with Iran. Get used to it.

    It is also a fantasy that China is some kind of key -- we somehow need to pressure them to take care of it for us. There is no combination of sanctions and threats that can make China do anything that it feels is contrary to its national security interests. From China's perspective, what exists is way better than a reunited Korea on its border that is allied with the U.S. They are not going to do our dirty work.

    North Korea is going to have nuclear weapons and there is jack shit we can do about it. All of the laptop war hawks in the U.S. can't stand that, but it is reality. The tough talk can only act as a destabilizing factor. We'd be best off acknowledging reality and working within it. Here is what is likely: If North Korea actually did launch missiles at the U.S. or attack us and we retaliate, China would stay neutral. If the U.S. somehow did overthrow the regime there, China would step in, because they can't have us determining the political make up of the Korean Peninsula. So the best thing for us is a detente: If Kim is dumb enough to attack the U.S., he's on his own. If we attack Kim, we very well could end up at war with China (with Russia probably providing a lot of support to China from the sidelines). That isn't in our interests.
     
    The Big Ragu, Sep 3, 2017
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  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    What if they just take out a small American city with a nuke?

    Do we retaliate then, or just accept the new reality?
     
    YankeeFan, Sep 3, 2017
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