President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Michael_ Gee · Sep 3, 2017

The Big Ragu said: ↑

Sure, it has no incentive to strike the U.S. That said, none of us really know what is going on in his head or how sane or insane he is, so we really shouldn't pretend.

What we do know is that there is little we can really do to change how far they have gotten in their nuclear program. So we should acknowledge reality rather than living a fantasy. And rather than making feckless threats or going into hysteria, we should make it clear that he's playing with fire and if he initiates an attack, China won't be there to defend him (they won't), and whatever damage he does to Americans, it won't end with him victorious. That should be the consistent "tough" talk -- a consistent line said over and over again.

I disagree with you about offering North Korea anything. It just makes us look like foofs -- as we looked with Iran. North Korea is going to keep developing its military capabilities, regardless. At best we MIGHT buy a few months or a few years with that kind of deal (if it was possible), but in the end that is a losers game. We should be resigned to the fact that he is going to do what is going to do. ... but we should be doing everything possible to make it as DIFFICULT for him as possible, we certainly shouldn't be helping him. I never understand that tact. What we did with Iran made us look silly. You don't make a "deal" with an entity that is constantly rattling a saber at you and doing hostile acts, including after the deal. And you don't pay them for their behavior that you don't like, particularly when you know they ultimately aren't going to adhere to any deal. Optically (and a lot of the world pays attention to the optics), it makes you look like a joke. We shouldn't be doing the stupid tough guy act that we have no realistic way of backing up. ... but at the same time we shouldn't be wet noodles.
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Iran's nuclear program is in abeyance, a fact certified by an international monitoring body through inspections. That was the object of the deal, I fail to see how accomplishing an objective makes the US look foolish. Iran is still hostile. Then again, we are still hostile to Iran. The difference now is, one main point of contention between the two countries has been taken off the table.
There is one thing we could give North Korea that wouldn't cost a thing, a formal treaty ending the Korean War instead of the 54-year old armistice. Unclear if they'd want it, but it would be a small move towards more normal relations.

dixiehack · Sep 3, 2017

lakefront said: ↑

"The statement confirmed the AP’s reporting that the EPA had not yet been able to physically visit the Houston-area sites, saying the sites had “not been accessible by response personnel.” EPA staff had checked on two Superfund sites in Corpus Christi on Thursday and found no significant damage.

AP journalists used a boat to document the condition of one flooded Houston-area Superfund site, but accessed others with a vehicle or on foot. The EPA did not respond to questions about why its personnel had not yet been able to do so."

It must have been too windy.
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Bone spurs

heyabbott · Sep 3, 2017

This is funny. Who knew incest loving Nazis had a sense of humor

YankeeFan · Sep 3, 2017

Michael_ Gee said: ↑

Iran's nuclear program is in abeyance, a fact certified by an international monitoring body through inspections.
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LOL.

Johnny Dangerously · Sep 3, 2017

dixiehack · Sep 3, 2017

Unsurprising news is unsurprising.

White House walks back promise about Trump donating his ‘personal money’ to Harvey victims – ThinkProgress

Michael_ Gee · Sep 3, 2017

YankeeFan said: ↑

LOL.
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Just certified as in compliance in last two weeks by international monitoring body. LOL is shorthand for "events I don't like I choose not to believe."

HanSenSE · Sep 3, 2017

Songbird said: ↑

Go ahead and keep thinking that Jong-un and Trump care about rationality.
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FIFY. Those two get together, you really can throw out the records.

Elliotte Friedman · Sep 3, 2017

I'm beginning to wonder about the Olympics

Michael_ Gee · Sep 3, 2017

Elliotte Friedman said: ↑

I'm beginning to wonder about the Olympics
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The Nuclear Winter Games of 2018.

doctorquant · Sep 3, 2017

Michael_ Gee said: ↑

Just certified as in compliance in last two weeks by international monitoring body. LOL is shorthand for "events I don't like I choose not to believe."
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I think LOL, in this instance, is shorthand for "Surely you're not that clueless."

Michael_ Gee · Sep 3, 2017

Iran being cited as in compliance with the agreement is a fact. Anyone who thinks they're cheating has the burden of proof on them. If it becomes US policy never to believe countries we don't like will comply with agreements out of their own self-interest, there will be no agreements except ones that freeze us out.

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