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Jemele and Mike

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Songbird, Feb 3, 2017.

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  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    No. You told us she "wrote the shit out of that tournament" and asked us to just trust you on it.

    Regardless, I was just cracking wise.
     
  2. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    You have every right to like or not like any writer or piece of writing you choose. All I've asserted on this thread is that she's not where she is because she's lucky, which is the go-to barb of the defeated.
     
  3. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

  4. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    I thought she got where she is in part because of a blog post on oral sex.
     
  5. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    She seems like she's probably a pretty good storyteller and good at building rapport with people - obviously she doesn't lack for personality - who gets out over her skis a little bit when she tries to construct an argument about sports or social issues.

    It's not easy to be a multi-media generalist. I get that.
     
  6. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    She's not there from luck. Writing is both art and science. The science portion is technical such as Grammar, sentence structure, the proper use of words and an excellent lexicon and those criteria can be objectively discussed. Point of view, opinion, narrative, the story are all subjective.
    She is a perfectly adequate professional technical writer. She's not beautiful to read or listen to, she's didn't get where she is for that quality. She got where she is because she's never lacked a point of view or perspective. Unfortunately after 19 years, she hasn't matured and developed a more grown up, nuanced point of view. Fortunately for her employers, they want that original point of view. And you can't divorce the angry black woman sports columnist fromth jobs she gets and keeps.

    I grew up reading the Washington Post in the late 70's onward. Mike Wilbon, as a reporter developed into an angry black sports columnist. And got angrier as he got more secure in the job. But he changed. He stayed black, but less angry. He picked his spots to get downright militant, but after a while, he was just a great columnist with a point of view and a perpespective developed over a life. Jemelle hasn't grown up. She's where she is for that reason. It's not luck, it's supply and demand. What she has is wanted.
     
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    I love you, but you didn't give an example of her work.

    Maybe you witnessed it, but I'm looking for a "show me" not "tell me" example.

    It may all be subjective, and your testimonial is nice, but it's striking that no one is providing a link to an example of her excellence.

    I could provide several to your work on short time.

    This is just weird.

    Edit: I see a link has been provided. I'll check it out.
     
  8. Elliotte Friedman

    Elliotte Friedman Moderator Staff Member

    Don't know Jemele Hill at all...and don't often get to see her show. So I can't comment on her work. But, as a TV person, I can comment on what she is:

    In the eyes of her employers, she is a star.

    That can change, yes, we've seen plenty of people who get that push but can't sustain. However, Hill's been on an upward trajectory for years and doesn't show any signs of stopping. Whatever you might think, the most important vote belongs to the ESPN bosses. Actions make it clear they are big fans.

    Keep that in mind as you discuss this issue. It's a major factor. Everywhere in life, allowances are made for stars.

    This one will be interesting. The network clearly doesn't want this on its social media platforms. It's red meat to Clay Travis, who has successfully baited ESPN management into distraction with his MS-ESPN grenades. Don't do anything, and people will criticize your double-standard. Discipline her, and people scream you are silencing someone with a legitimate social gripe.
     
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  9. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I agree with you that she hasn't developed a more nuanced point of view, though I think she's regressed more than anything. That's partially a product of the era we exist in, probably. Read the Newton column above. There's a nuanced opinion within the jumble, about how the Carolina Panthers' owner isn't necessarily a racist, but is actually looking out for his quarterback in a harsh world of double standards.
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Yep.

     
  11. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    What about Mike ?
     
  12. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    Well, now I'm re-thinking my circa-2002 strategic plan to stardom based on flawless high school football reporting and designing an informative and visually attractive agate page.
     
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