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Fields in which Analytics Do Not Apply

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by typefitter, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    This is helpful. I'm asking honestly, for what it's worth. I wonder if there are things that are resistant to such analysis. Baseball managing, for instance, is another one that got me thinking about it—like, what makes a good manager? Winning percentage is about the only statistic we have to measure a manager's success. So when a GM is deciding whether a manager is "good" or not, what goes into that calculus? I imagine a lot of that comes down to gut or feel. Or at least something less than rigorous statistical analysis.

    I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm just wondering out loud.
     
  2. JC

    JC Well-Known Member

    Winning pct is largely placed on the talent you have to work with. Joe Torre was a shitty manager until he became the Yankees manager when he all of a sudden became brilliant.
     
  3. Donny in his element

    Donny in his element Well-Known Member

    1. Horseshoes
    2. Hand grenades
     
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  4. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    Right—so how do you know who's a good manager?
     
  5. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Maddon's 867-5309 lineup went 2 for 22 on 7/3/14. Good manager or bad?

    Code:
                                                                
    Batting               AB R H RBI BB SO PA   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS
    Desmond Jennings CF    4 1 1   0  0  2  4 .241 .334 .379 .714
    Ben Zobrist SS         4 0 0   0  0  0  4 .250 .336 .394 .731
    Matthew Joyce LF       3 0 0   0  1  1  4 .268 .352 .423 .775
    Evan Longoria 3B       2 0 0   1  0  0  3 .261 .331 .390 .721
    James Loney 1B         3 0 1   0  0  0  3 .280 .332 .385 .717
    Vince Belnome DH       3 0 0   0  0  2  3 .000 .000 .000 .000
    Kevin Kiermaier RF     3 0 0   0  0  1  3 .290 .331 .556 .887
    Ryan Hanigan C         3 0 0   0  0  1  3 .223 .311 .344 .655
    Cole Figueroa 2B       3 0 0   0  0  1  3 .150 .150 .200 .350
                                                                
    Team Totals           28 1 2   1  1  8 30 .071 .100 .107 .207
    
    Add in Hanigan's and Figueroa's o-fers and it's 2 for 28.
     
  6. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    With the Cubs struggling at the bat, Maddon inserts 6-foot-12 slugger Anthony Rizzo into the leadoff spot, where he proceeds to go nuts in those 42 at-bats.

    Good manager or bad?

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  7. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    I think in a case like hiring a baseball manager, statistical analysis has a place in the decision-making process, but it is one piece of the process.
    Winning percentage is nice but you'd like to find a way to normalize that to account for roster talent.
    As mentioned, roster talent is a key component to any manager's winning percentage.
    Winning 95 games with a great team might take limited managerial ability.
    Winning 85 games with a really crappy team might require Herculean managerial ability.
    So you could normalize that statistically, and look for additional statistical indicators of managerial ability.

    But you would not rely on statistical analysis solely. No good decision is made by relying on limited information and processes.
    You'd talk to the guy's colleagues and previous bosses, maybe some of his former players.

    But just because statistical analysis is not the sole criteria for making the hiring decision does not mean it should not be a component of the hiring decision or that is useless.
     
  8. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    I'm not even sure that will help, because those extra 10 wins are constructed from better play, which implies that the team might just be better than you thought it was before the season.
     
  9. Art and music and by extension artists and musicians.

    What makes good, great and bad art?

    And music?

    Entertainers. Comedians, singers... I think analytics takes a backseat .
     
  10. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

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