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Vombatus · Oct 3, 2017

doctorquant said: ↑

Kentucky ... a bitterly divided border state ... and not when the Union was in trouble, but when the Union was approaching victory ... but I'll concede the finer point.
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I'm sure you were thinking of Maryland and DC. I know I was.

Vombatus · Oct 3, 2017

OK, here is what I wrote in August 2015 after the TV reporter and her cameraman were slain on live TV.

Would this work?

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OK, here is what I have been thinking about. A way that people can own as many guns as they want, but with some caveats pertaining to safety, education, and a bit of responsibility that goes to the benefit of the country and its people.

In my experience with hunting, and for target practice, you really only need two types of guns - a shotgun and a rifle. Both long-barreled weapons. Harder to conceal, less likely to be used in a crime.

Then there are handguns. I am mostly of the opinion that follows the Lynyrd Skynyrd principle of throwing them all to the bottom of the sea. But that is unrealistic, unfortunately.

So, let's propose that as a U.S citizen (with no felony convictions or any other reasons that would prevent you from owning firearms), you can own as many as you like. Keep buying. Make the gun manufacturers happy.

But, you are allowed to ONLY keep one shotgun, one rifle and one handgun at your house. [I actually prefer to make this ZERO handguns at your house, but this is a compromise.]

All the rest of what you own have to be checked in, like a library, if you will, at new Homeland Defense Armories, which will be located at each and every police station across the country. This will require new buildings to be built (new jobs!), which consist of secure facilities with bank vault and deposit box like features (more jobs to build such things!) and then require the staffing of said Armories (even more jobs!). The staff will be fully trained, weaponized folks who can both defend the facility and be friendly enough to help you check your weapons back out on an as needed basis. Each facility is going to need at least three or four people to man a 24/7 hour facility, with the co-located police station as back up.

Now, these Homeland Defense Armories are meant to safeguard weapons, but also make you feel a little patriotic and responsible to your country. You could also call the HDAs "Arsenals of Democracy" to further wrap the Red, White and Blue around it. Each person would register themselves, undergo background checks at the time of gun registration and deposit, and also at times of withdrawal.

Furthermore, as being a registered user of an HDA, you are signing up to be part of a government militia, to be called upon in times of need when the country is in crisis. Such situations could include helping recover from natural disasters, protecting against rioting and looting, or helping to fend off an invasion of ISIS infidels in the US Homeland. The country could some day need you. When called upon, rush to your HDA, get your guns as directed, and meet up and be prepared to serve your country. Like the good old Civil Defense days.

How to fund all of this? Well, the government of course would foot some of the bill, and particularly getting all of these Armories built. View it as important as the building of the nation's interstate system. Infrastructure.

And the gun manufacturers can foot the bill for some of it, which of course would then be passed on to the customer, raising gun prices, and maybe reducing sales a bit, but that might be an OK thing.

And have a fee for the general population - primarily on those who have to check in weapons into the HDAs because of the size of their collection. Hopefully this will be a nominal fee, similar to renewing your license plates and driver's license.

Anyway, the cost can be borne. The cost in lives lost cannot.

Checkout procedures from the HDAs? How do you get your gun back and use it? This is an area that requires a lot more thought, but I am thinking checkouts of 24, 48, or 72 hour periods for daily or weekend hunts or target practice. Get your gun, do your thing, return and check it back in. Failure to check your weapon back in results in fines and possible criminal penalties (jail).

And on a more infrequent basis, allow one or two week checkout periods for those who go on extended hunts (week long vacations for example). These could be permitted a couple of times per year, and especially during hunting season.

Now, as nutty as all this sounds, keep in mind that my original stipulation is that you get to keep one shotgun, one rifle and one handgun at home. So, if you keep your most trusty hunting weapons at home, you don't have to keep visiting the HDAs to check it out.

Anyway, that is the basis of my thoughts. By this method, a citizen could own as many guns as he/she wants (but, has a safe place to store them and has to check them out if more than one shotgun, one rifle and one handgun). Also, by becoming involved in the Home Defense Armories program, you enroll in a national militia system as described above. This traces back to the origins of the second amendment, and perhaps what our Founding Fathers had in mind.

There are many more details to add to the above. Like, magazine size restrictions (which I would view as needing to be limited as to what you have at home, but larger magazines could be stored at the HDA). And ammo - I guess that would mostly be stored at home. Buy as much as you want. Hoard it.

Also, if someone wants to become a gun owner, then they have to take safety classes and gun handling training and certification. They have to watch films of what accidents look like, similar to what drivers education used to be. Gun owners need to see videos of what gun injuries can cause, including people's heads blown off. If there is one thing I have learned, you need to learn gun safety, and treat your ownership responsibly. You need to know whether the gun is loaded or not, and you need to know how to handle it regardless of whether it is loaded or not.

To keep this short, I will blast this post out now, and let you ridicule me. But, what I am trying to do here is think outside of the box, while staying within the Constitution. This Home Defense Armories proposal allows people to own as many guns as they want, and the right to bear them, and even makes a connection to doing so in a responsible manner for the good of the country in a quasi-militia format if needed.

OK, fire away. I am finishing off my fifth beer.
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Inky_Wretch · Oct 3, 2017

Neutral Corner said: ↑

Wild hogs are an absolute plague. They breed like rabbits, they are extremely destructive, and they're smart. Even smaller pigs, like javelina in South Texas, can cut a man up right damn quick, and the really big ones like the Russian wild boars that they have in Tennessee, Alabama, and Georgia are huge and hard to kill. If one jumps you in the woods, you'll find out that you can climb a skinny pine tree with no limbs a lot better than you thought you could. Incentive makes a big difference.

Straight up science link - Invasive Wild Pigs Leave a Swath of Destruction Across U.S. – And They Keep Spreading | PLOS Ecology Community

Link to a Fox News piece on a kid in eastern Alabama who shot a 1,000 pound plus hog which was 9'4" long and had five inch tushes. Alabama Boy Kills 1,051-Pound Monster Pig, Bigger Than 'Hogzilla'

Note that he shot the hog six times with a .50 caliber pistol and still had to follow it to finish it off. All an M4 would do is piss it off unless you put twenty or thirty shots into it.
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We killed 87 last year on our place. It wasn't enough.

doctorquant · Oct 3, 2017

Inky_Wretch said: ↑

We killed 87 last year on our place. It wasn't enough.
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Damn.

Inky_Wretch · Oct 3, 2017

FWIW, when I talk about the "all or nothing" approach helping the gun industry and, by extension the NRA, it is a warning. They would love it if that happens. Because they are hurting this year.

Is a 'Trump Slump' the Reason Gun Sales Plummeted 48.5% YoY? | OutdoorHub

Dick Whitman · Oct 3, 2017

When non-hunters tell hunters how they should cull animal populations, it reminds me of the conversations here about how police officers should start shooting individuals posing a life-threatening danger in the foot.

DanielSimpsonDay · Oct 3, 2017

Inky_Wretch said: ↑

We killed 87 last year on our place. It wasn't enough.
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87?!

MisterCreosote · Oct 3, 2017

cjericho said: ↑

I think most people who own guns realize guns can kill people.
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"Guns don't kill people."

I've only heard that about 600 trillion times in the last decade.

doctorquant · Oct 3, 2017

Inky_Wretch said: ↑

FWIW, when I talk about the "all or nothing" approach helping the gun industry and, by extension the NRA, it is a warning. They would love it if that happens. Because they are hurting this year.

Is a 'Trump Slump' the Reason Gun Sales Plummeted 48.5% YoY? | OutdoorHub
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Probably some autoregression in play there ... above-average sales in previous years will tend to be followed by below-average sales in subsequent years.

Inky_Wretch · Oct 3, 2017

doctorquant said: ↑

Probably some autoregression in play there ... above-average sales in previous years will tend to be followed by below-average sales in subsequent years.
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True. But the gun stores also lost a boogeywoman to use as a looming spectre scheming to take all the guns. If Clinton had won, gun sales would be booming right now.

But, whatever the reason, the gun industry is shrinking a bit. There have been layoffs. And it's contributed to the problems at B&M places like BPS and Academy as well.

doctorquant · Oct 3, 2017

Speaking of hunting and its "purchase" ... I've been puzzling over the fact that my Chiefs-Cowboys tickets have remained unsold when less-attractive games are long gone. Then it occurred to me ... Nov. 5 ... is it? ... Yep, white-tailed deer opening day 'round here.

Inky_Wretch · Oct 3, 2017

For those not familiar with firearms, I'd suggest following C.J. Chivers. He's a Marine Captain turned journalist.

Gunman’s Vantage Point and Preparations Opened the Way for Mass Slaughter

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