President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Sure, but coming up with the statement's the easy part. Delivering it -- sticking to it, then maneuvering as the bereaved respond, etc. -- that's the test. And, frankly, Trump doesn't strike me as being interested in having the fucking statement ready at the outset. "I'll just wing it ... it's easy!" No, hell no, it ain't easy.

But totally in agreement on the latter.

 

If that part you put in quotation marks is exactly what she said, then she did not express herself clearly. I say if because you are not a trustworthy source.

Of course, you defend Trump's failures to express himself clearly and properly all the time, but you jump on hers because she is criticizing him.

We have heard many examples of Trump speaking poorly and showing a lack of empathy, so your claim that we should have heard more is bullshit. Given his extensive track record of lying constantly, there is absolutely no reason to believe President Trump's denial. I don't know much about Wilson, but we all know Trump has no credibility at all. You like supporting a liar. Well, this is the consequence. Just his denial alone isn't enough. Not even close.

 

Let's just review how we got here, shall we?
1. The President of the United States: Says nothing when four soldiers are ambushed and killed in Niger
2. Is golfing for the 73rd time in 10 months when their bodies return to the states
3. Doesn't call or reach out to the families of the fallen for 9 days after their deaths.
4. In the meantime, finds time to tweet about Fake news bias, the NFL, Jemele Hill, Liddle Bob Corker being set up by the Times, pulling FEMA from Puerto Rico, etc.
5. Is asked about why he hasn't talked or tweeted about the soldiers since no issue is too small for him to tweet about.
6. Claims he's already written letters, says he always calls and it was Obama and Bush who never called.
7. When this is revealed to be false, says maybe Obama called some, but maybe you should ask Gen. Kelly (who has gone to great lengths to see that his son's death has never been politicized) if Obama gave him a call.
8. Let's his press secretary clumsily leak to NBC that yup, Obama never called Kelly; that the Kellys were invited to the White House shortly after and seated at a table with Michelle Obama is not commented on.
9. When an account of his call with Johnson's widow is relayed by a Democratic congresswomen paints him as clumsy, he refers to her as a liar
10. Trump says he has "proof!" she is lying
11. Johnson's mother confirms that Wilson's telling of the story is accurate.

Clearly everyone is out to get the president. None of this is his doing. Everyone is so unfair to him.

 

Johnson's mother, Cowanda Jones-Johnson, told The Washington Post on Wednesday that she was in the car during the call from the White House and that "President Trump did disrespect my son and my daughter and also me and my husband."

Jones-Johnson, speaking to The Post via Facebook Messenger, declined to elaborate.

But asked whether Wilson's account of the conversation between Trump and the family was accurate, she replied: "Yes."

More evidence that Trump really did what Wilson claims and YF really is full of crap whenever Trump is the subject.

I am sickened by Trump's failure in this instance. I really didn't think YF could embarrass himself any more in his defense of Trump, but he managed it this time.

 

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Well, we have multiple examples —including from Texas and Florida, among others — where people did take comfort from Trump’s words, and actions.

And, the AP article @Double Down linked to included this:

In contrast, Trump called to comfort Eddie and Aldene Lee about 10 days after their Army son was killed in an explosion while on patrol in Iraq in April. “Lovely young man,” Trump said, according to Aldene. She thought that was a beautiful word to hear about her boy, “lovely.”

This instance is the only one I’m aware of in which someone accused the president of insensitivity or a lack of seriousness.

I take no issue with the widow. She may not have been in a place where the President’s words could have satisfied her. But I don’t believe the president was looking to insult the widow of a Green Beret killed in bottle, or meant to show her any lack of sympathy, and the record shows he is capable of doing these things.

 

I live with two nieces who are 3 and 2. If you ask the two year old about anything she has done wrong, she will immediately blurt out "Mimi (her slightly older sister) did it." Even if her sister isn't in the house at that moment.

This is the same mental level that the President of the United States operates on.

Like, fucking fine, Fox News and conservative radio keeps the Republican brand of dog whistle racism, boomer death anxiety and tax cuts alive and kicking. And goddamit whatever, the voter suppression and gerrymandering campaigns to make sure that they don't have to represent the will of the people to take power is politics, even if it is shitty politics that hurts the country.

But to use all that apparatus to keep the 35% behind a mentally ill man with a fetish for fascism who is so wildly incompetent at his job that it is dragging down the conservative legislative agenda and now threatening to get sitting Republican congressman primaried? After he only won the nomination because Republican candidates couldn't solve the collective action problem of preventing vote-splitting and Russian gas lighting.

I genuinely don't understand that. Just fucking admit that is what we are dealing with, use any one of the several Constitutional mechanisms in place to provide a check on situations just like this, and let President Pence get on with the work of appointing pro-life judges and rubber-stamping tax cuts. At least then we won't have to have senior staff conspiring last-ditch plans about what to do if the President randomly decides to launch a nuclear first strike on a Chinese ally.

 

What’s accurate? What quote? Do we have one?

Wilson, in her own account, didn’t hear the whole conversation, and provided a paraphrase of a paraphrase.

The mother indicated this was accurate? Terrific. I’m sure it’s accurate that the widow was not comforted by the call, but neither of us know what the offending line was.

 

Dude, just stop. You blew past embarrassing a while ago. The mother confirmed Wilson's account. For once, show a shred of honesty and admit that he failed miserably in this one instance. The honesty might do your soul some good.

 

Small but important quibble: It wasn't only Obama and Bush. It was also "other presidents, most of them" who did not make the calls.

It's only important in that his insistence that he is the bestest president ever by a wide margin is the source of, like, 95 percent of his lies.

 

Has the GOP gotten to the bottom of Benghazi yet?