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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member


     
  2. Jake_Taylor

    Jake_Taylor Well-Known Member

    I know. It seems like he’s handled it about as well as one could. I heard him on a radio show once and the host called him a victim. He quickly told him there were plenty of real victims in the case, but he wasn’t one just because he had to correct people sometimes. Still, it has to be rough for him.
     
  3. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Tom Yeager, the former CAA commissioner, was chair of the Committee on Infractions a while back when Alabama got hammered for something. Tom didn't live in Richmond or have a listed number. But another Tom Yeager did and his phone rang non-stop. We ended up doing a story on it, he took it with more grace than most would.

    A lot of asshole out there.
     
  4. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

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  5. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    The “compromise” argument is correct in a historical sense: The lead-up to the Civil War was in the main a political dispute, and such generally can be resolved via compromise. But that’s not how people are inclined to hear that argument now.
     
  6. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    In fairness: The southern states wanted to treat the African captives in the North as slaves, too.
     
  7. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    This is where semantics and rhetoric cover up truth with an altered reality. It was political, until the War started. It stopped, traditionally at Fort Sumter. The policy dispute, the politics, was whether slavery would exist. It was never easy to make that the goal, so it was reframed into whether the federal government could end slavery, as a matter of national law. What is even more clear is that, as a matter of law at the time, slavery was a matter for the states where it existed as of 1789. State’s admitted after ratification could be slave free as a matter of federal law. The compromise was admitting States in pairs so as not to upset the balance of States in a congress where a 13th Amendment, without war, could be passed.

    But the civil war wasnt about railroads or agriculture or foreign relations, though thy were implicated. It was about slavery. And only about slavery. No other right of the States would have brought about the war.
     
  8. daemon

    daemon Well-Known Member

    The lead up to every war in the history of wars has been a political dispute. War in and of itself is, self-evidentially, a lack of compromise.
     
  9. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    So a lack of compromise led to WWII?
     
  10. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

  11. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    Neville Chamberlain just kicked his ghost dog.
     
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  12. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Kind of. If the West would have accepted German dominance in Poland and Slovak areas, Germany wouldn’t have invaded Belgium to get to France. Russia may have had to fend off German expansion to the East but it would not have been a French, US and UK concern.

    As people are want to say, if we let Hitler be Hitler and compromised to allow a Greater Germany there would not have been a European theater of WWII.
     
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