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The sports writer version of going gangsta.

 

“Fatwa” vis-à-vis Nikki Haley. The progressive ... mind ... at work, ladies and gentlemen.

 

Time to make up another “vacation.”

 

In this case, you don't get the use of irony and hyperbole. Maybe it's too obscure a reference for anyone to grasp. Maybe it's inappropriate. I'll cease that. Fine.

Similarly, I failed to grasp your recent mocking or lampooning of me. You're not stupid and neither am I. The difference is that you have repeatedly attacked my intelligence. I have not reciprocated because I'm smart enough to understand you're a smart guy.

 

Oh, he almost certainly was a sexual predator (not sure about someone in his 70s, though) and almost certainly is a racist.

But he could be three millimeters from sainthood and as clean as the driven snow . . . and you would still want him to lose. Because Rs and Ds. So there's really no need to bother with the other reasoning.

 

There's wanting your side to win, and then there's not wanting to be ashamed you're an American, which is where the Moore deal stands. If some regular old southern Republican was the nominee, I doubt there would have been comment the first on the race in this thread. Everyone would've accepted the normal Republican's 20 point win as par for the course.

 

The "other reasoning" makes his election a national disgrace.

 

People were kneeling before anthems long before Roy Moore entered anyone's consciousness.

He has the president campaigning for him and millions of people on his side. It's a national disgrace regardless of whether he gets 51 percent of the vote or 45 percent.

 

This is Alabama. If less than 50 percent of the voters pick Moore, outsiders should give the state a gold star, because people would be voting against their partisan bias and that's hard to do. But if Moore wins, all of America will have to deal with a Senator who doesn't even believe in his oath of office to uphold the Constitution.

 

Yes. I would want him to lose. But not to this degree. It's one thing to be conservative. It's another to defy federal court orders, an action that violates the oath he took on his Bible; to spit in the eye of Article VI's prohibition on religious tests for public service while claiming to be a defender of religious liberty; to claim America was great during slavery because families were strong even though slavery literally divided them; and to fail to push back on the notion that amendments ending slavery and granting blacks and women the right to vote should be repealed.
This is about more than party. It's about basic American values.

 

I think most people at least understand the traditional fiscal conservative or even libertarian view—they might not subscribe to it, but they respect it as a legitimate political choice. I do, anyway. If someone is consistent in their political stances, I can agree to disagree. I think most of the modern political divide stems from hypocrisy: how the same people can be against gun control but for banning abortion, or for banning abortion but also support the death penalty. And when you wrap that kind of muddled thinking in the sinister, semi-human form of someone like Roy Moore, then you get the sort of yawning gulf between sides that we have in Alabama.

Liberals look at Moore, and they see both someone they disagree with politically, but also loathe as a man. Same with Trump. That's when there's no room for compromise.