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TigerVols · Dec 12, 2017

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Now do David Pecker and Dylan Howard.
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No thanks; I'm straight and spoken for.

Double Down · Dec 12, 2017

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If you read the 538 Twitter feed, you see enough exit polling info to suggest an easy Moore win and a short night, however.
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I think turnout will be up by a bunch but Moore will win by a few points. Just too much tribalism to overcome, the same way D.C. kept electing Berry and Baltimore keeps electing bad Dems.

Machine Head · Dec 12, 2017

I can’t see the voters in MN backing Franken if he tries to hang on. Wendell Anderson paid a price and Franken is old enough to remember that.

I’m sick of getting hit with redirects from this fucking site when I log in on my phone so I’m off for tonight.

YankeeFan · Dec 12, 2017

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Zephyr Teachout?
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Some name, huh?

She was the liberal alternative to Andrew Cuomo, which tells you how liberal she is.

Deskgrunt50 · Dec 12, 2017

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It's not a silly post. He literally hasn't resigned.

And, since he announced his intention to resign, we've seen folks like Morning Mika grow more upset about Al's plight.

The New York Times published an op-ed from far out left wing law professor Zephyr Teachout, who primaried Andrew Cuomo in 2014, where she laments Al's treatment.

Dayton's prepared to name a successor, but that's not in coordination with Franken. It's based only on Franken's previously stated intention to resign.

Franken still hasn't set a date, and I think it's pretty clear he's waiting to see what happens tonight in Alabama, and may even be working behind the scenes to drum up the support of people like Mika and Zephyr.

I care passionately about #MeToo. Women are routinely demeaned, dismissed, discouraged and assaulted. Too many women’s careers are stymied or ended because of harassment and abuse. In politics, where I have worked much of my adult life, this behavior is rampant.

I also believe in zero tolerance. And yet, a lot of women I know — myself included — were left with a sense that something went wrong last week with the effective ouster of Al Franken from the United States Senate. He resigned after a groundswell of his own Democratic colleagues called for him to step down.

Zero tolerance should go hand in hand with two other things: due process and proportionality. As citizens, we need a way to make sense of accusations that does not depend only on what we read or see in the news or on social media.

Due process means a fair, full investigation, with a chance for the accused to respond. And proportionality means that while all forms of inappropriate sexual behavior should be addressed, the response should be based on the nature of the transgressions.

Both were missing in the hasty call for Senator Franken’s resignation. Some might point out, rightly, that Congress doesn’t have good procedures for dealing with harassment accusations. In fact, the congressional process to date has gone something like this: Lift up the rug and sweep the accusations underneath. It’s delay, deny, pay hush money and avoid the consequences.

Instead, here’s what a fair system might look like: Congress should empower an independent arbiter to investigate complaints — like a Government Accountability Office, with trained experts in the field. Clearly understood mechanisms for reporting should be established. A timetable should be set that ensures complaints receive a prompt response. Both the accuser and the accused could submit questions and would have access to trained advocates and free legal consultation.

The independent arbiter would then make a nonbinding proposal addressing what happened and what should be done. It could include a call to resign or for censure, or a range of other responses tailored to the findings.

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It’s silly. He’s going to resign. And he should.

Slacker · Dec 12, 2017

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That Trump lies, is not an excuse for the media to continually get stories wrong.
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That mistakes get made (though quickly corrected) in an urgent, multidirectional media search for truth and accountability is not an excuse for zealots to continually ignore the damage being done to millions of Americans every day now.

outofplace · Dec 12, 2017

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But you would still "want him to lose" no matter how "qualified" he would be.

So the other reprehensible Moore stuff just adds to a stand you would have taken regardless. It isn't the root cause, as you stated.

Mitt Romney vs. Doug Jones: You want Romney to lose.
Roy Moore vs. Doug Jones: You want Moore to lose.

You sentence should have read, "I want Moore to lose because he's a Republican, but his victory thoroughly disgusts me because he is a sexual predator and a racist."
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Bullshit, and if you can't understand the difference, you've lost your perspective.

Also, there are plenty of Republicans against Moore. Hell, I'm not sure how much attention I'd be paying to that race if it wasn't a disgrace like Moore in the running.

QYFW · Dec 12, 2017

Slacker said: ↑

That mistakes get made (though quickly corrected) in an urgent, multidirectional media search for truth and accountability is not an excuse for zealots to continually ignore the damage being done to millions of Americans every day now.
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Where does this happen?

Deskgrunt50 · Dec 12, 2017

Over/under on time the Alabama race is called for the child molestor?

I’ll set the number at 8:31 pm. EST.

exmediahack · Dec 12, 2017

C'mon, Alabama. Do the right thing.

I'm a Republican. Do the right thing. Elect Doug Jones.

RickStain · Dec 12, 2017

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Where does this happen?
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Most days? Congress

heyabbott · Dec 12, 2017

Roy Moore would make Strom Thurmond and James Eastland blush. America has its first segregationist Sharia Senator. Ecclesiastical Law is Supreme over the secular Constitution according the Ayatollah Moore, and Moore is the judge of his god’s Will. Judge Roy would be at home with ISIS and Al Queda than with Democrats and Independents in America.

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