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President Trump: The NEW one and only politics thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Moderator1, Nov 12, 2016.

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  1. melock

    melock Well-Known Member


     
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  2. exmediahack

    exmediahack Well-Known Member

    Once again, candidate quality matters. Going back to 2010, Republicans lost races in Delaware, Nevada, Missouri, Indiana, North Dakota and, now, Alabama that they should have won. That would have given them 55+ seats. A Romney/Ryan clone probably wins all those seats.

    Instead, the Tea Party/"FAKE NEWS!" wing of the Republicans continues to hold their primaries hostage by voting for loonies who have little change to win in a general election. If Moore would have won, I could see the Republicans losing tons of seats next year.

    With last night's loss, the moderate Republicans (Flake/Collins/McCain) just picked up a little more power for the next year.

    As for 2018, the Democrats still have to play a LOT of defense in red states, notably Missouri, Indiana and North Dakota. Perhaps they hold Missouri but I can't see the other two.

    Unless... the economy tanks. And that's what the Democrats, again, have to quietly root for. On Election Night 2016, the Dow was at 18,000. Now it's at 24,500. They need to find something other than "we hate Trump".
     
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  3. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    Good thing Democrats didn't write-in a different Republican candidate to try to beat Roy Moore.

    There is no need for anybody on either side to spin this one. A child molester didn't get elected to the U.S. Senate. That's an unalloyed good for democracy, America, and most important of all, Roy Moore's accusers. He got away with it for a very long time. Last night he stopped getting away with it.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I am itching to know how many votes Nick Saban got.

    I hate both of the major political parties in this country (no surprise), believe that the net government we get from each is the same (overreach, corruption, just about staying in power and enriching themselves through the office at the expense of the people they are supposed to represent, and a runaway debt problem that has us on the brink of crisis). And I believe what has gotten us to where we are (Donald Trump, and candidates like Roy Moore) are the last several decades of those parties seducing people with inane promises and then economically hurting the country and negatively impacting a lot of people's lives.

    And with that bit of cheery commentary. ... I typically will vote for a whacky third party candidate rather than picking from the same typical corrupt choices. In this case? If I had been a citizen of Alabama, I would have voted for Jones. Basic decency matters. So I wouldn't have done the write-in thing on this one -- just to be certain. Someone like Roy Moore actually being that close to becoming a U.S. Senator is the one thing I can think of that could have made me vote for someone that I really wouldn't have wanted to vote for.

    At the same time I say that, if Moore had won, I would have looked at it a bit like Trump having won. I think these are the kinds of "rock bottom" results that might be necessary (and the calamities that come from them having power) for many Americans to get their heads out of their asses for once and for all -- and not keep voting for the corrupt jackal making the most alluring BS promises. Right now, America is getting what it deserves.
     
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  5. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    National Review’s Kevin Williamson, writing before yesterday’s results, seems to have been on the same page with @The Big Ragu ...
     
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  6. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    You’re not. And don’t tell @tapintoamerica, but he (assuming gender here) isn’t, either.
     
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  7. cranberry

    cranberry Well-Known Member

    The Dow was at 8,000 when Obama took office. The idea that Republicans manage the economy better (or that people believe they do) might have had political currency back in 1977, but certainly not with anyone paying attention now. The Republicans are going to need to explain why they enacted a tax plan that screws middle-class people and dramatically increases the debt-GDP ratio, and Ryan’s solution for the debt increase caused by those tax cuts will be to cut social security. Pass the popcorn. This is Kansas all over again.

    And if we’re really lucky, Steve Bannon will run some more candidates from the stupid wing.

    Knives Out For Steve Bannon After Democrat Wins Senate Seat In Alabama | HuffPost
     
  8. FileNotFound

    FileNotFound Well-Known Member

    Bammers: Would Doug Jones have beaten Luther Strange? Interesting to reflect on how Gov. Boobgrabber affected this race. It all kinda comes back to Bentley, doesn’t it?
     
  9. melock

    melock Well-Known Member

    That's a hell of a try there. Even for you.
     
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  10. exmediahack

    exmediahack Well-Known Member

    Yes and no. Do remember that Dems also took control of Congress in January 2007, when it was 12,800. Where the Republicans are stepping in it is on these tax cuts that few people want. It just means the states will have to pick up the cost.
     
  11. melock

    melock Well-Known Member

    A child molester who Trumpy doesn't believe is a child molester.
     
  12. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    This is a very small concern in the grand scheme, but my father and best friend would both see their jobs go away if the House bill became law. So selfishly, yeah, I’m rooting against it.

    Having said that, you know what I do. Any change to the tax code short of Paul Ryan’s postcard fantasy is good for my job security.
     
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